NSR: A gun on Every Corner: Discuss the NRA, Gun Ownership and All Those Non-Mass Shootings..

Which is why I think our Heartland Army would be useless. It would be child’s play for a modern army to cut off their gasoline and diesel supply, and that would be that. No need to occupy them; just let them implode over the lack of supplies and electricity and cable TV.

 

Well Vietnam did a good job. Afghanistan after all these years, the Taliban are still kicking around.

Don't underestimate guerrilla warfare ability to defeat (or at least outlast) a well equipped military.

 

Sure would you want to own a few weapons if your are able to survive a nuclear Armageddon?

I don't own any, but if shit hit the fan, I would like to go to my gun owning cousin house.

 

No it is not.
There is nothing even remotely close to a "human right" to own and use a firearm.

You seem to conflate "Constitutional Rights" with "Human Rights."
They are not synonymous, in the US or anywhere.

Owning a firearm may be a Constitutional Right, but not a Human Right.

Not to mention, there is no Constitutional Right to self-defense.
It is statutory, as an affirmative defense to a criminal charge.

So, clearly, there is no Constitutional Right to "self-defense by firearm."

Once again, the text of the Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Security of a free State, not personal self-defense.
It says that the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, not shoot people in self-defense.

You are simply wrong.

 

You seen like a pro 2A person, especially the right to self defense. You do realize hollow points are much safer to use in a self defense scenario? The majority of these scenarios occur at distances under 10 feet. Unless the FMJ round is stopped by a tougher bone (Jaw, femur, pelvis, skull). That round has the ability to penetrate the initial target, exit and continue with enough kinetic energy to pass through walls/doors, even another person or two. This is particularly dangerous in high density places such as townhomes and apartments. Even in the suburbs, your neighbors house usually isn't too far away.

HP handgun ammunition does do more damage in tissue. This is because it designed to "dump" the energy into the target as well as "mushroom" which creates a larger wound cavity. There are tradeoffs, but I do believe it is safer for everyone if those who carry handguns (especially in public) use HP ammo. Now if you were worried about defeating soft armor (Mexico/Brazil) FMJ or a specialized round would be the way to go.

 

We can't even get a majority of rural America to get off of their asses and vote, despite you claims of "love of country and duty to protect it."

Also, even if this ridiculous scenario would happen, these rural Americans would likely not be "protecting the country," but protecting their own stuff.

I am not sure why you would say: "The 2nd amendment, while an inconvenience for you..."
I have no idea where that came from in anything I have said.

 

No comment on the rest of this conversation, but I think this is 100% wrong.

you should spend some time out of the city.

 

No doubt, and we spend a shit lot of money on that. My answer was to how effective guerrilla warfare would be once the USA military was defeated by the mighty Canadian empire.

It could be effective or it may fall apart, history has examples of both.

And if the USA lost a nuclear war, the surviving forces would melt into the population and train the survivors on just that.

 

Because we have the bare minimum understanding of modern military hardware? Well ******** me for not being stupid as a bag of shit.

 

What a bizarre response.

This has nothing to do with "the working man."

You posited the strange concept about an invasion and guerrilla warfare and morphed it into an attack on "Democrats" and the "working man."

That is pretzel-like logic.

 

Well guns (NRA is dying, everyone wants more gun control), gays (one is running for president, nobody really cares what you do in private) and God (Catholic Church was a pedo ring & dishonest Evangelicals voted for Thing 1 in overwhelming numbers) has worked out so well for Whitelandia over the years. Now all they've really got left is Economic Insecurity & owning the libs. What pathetic lives they live. And yes, that is a snobby Liberal value judgment.