Hi, my proposition 64 teams total, not preliminares, 64 teams in group stage in ordem by country population. Brazil ---190Millions--- 14 teams between 40M to 100M--- 6 teams each Colombia---45M---6 teams Argentina---41M---6 teams between 20M to 40M--- 5 teams each Venezuela--- 27M---5 teams Peru--- 26M---5 teams between 2 M to 20M--- 4 teams each Chile--- 18M---4 teams Ecuador--- 12M---4 teams Bolivia--- 10M---4 teams Paraguay--- 6M---4 teams Uruguay--- 3M---4 teams Invates---6 teams total Mexico---100M---4teams CR or Panama--- 1 team Guate or somebody---1 team Champions from last year ediction Chapion and Runner up--- 2 teams No more Copa Sudamericana, Year-Long Copa Liberatdores, Runner up go to Copa Suruga. 16 groups stage of 4 teams each. playing Febrero-Junio 192 games, maybe 16 midweeks of 12 games each, always 4 games martes, 4 miercoles and 4 jueves. 32 teams in Playoff stage always just winner and runner up of group stage, every third go out, 62 games in minimus 10 midweks or "maximus" 16 midweeks. I prefer the playoff stage get also too SouthvsSouth and NorthvsNorth but others ideas are welcome. December Fifa Club World Cup, and Suruba cup. Sorry for my shity ingrish, los demas comentarios los hare solo en español. Comenten.
Soy yo el creador de este thread otra vez sigo aclarando el sistema. Cabezas de Grupo Zona Norte Group A Brazil 1/2/3/4 B Bra 1/2/3/4 C Mex 1 D Col 1 E Ven 1 F Per 1 G Ecu 1 H finalista Norte de edicion anterior otros 24 equipos de zona norte 5 brazileños mas, Colombia 2, 3, 4, 5 y 6, Mexico 2, 3 y 4, Venezuela 2, 3, 4 y 5, Ecuador 2, 3 y 4, 2 peruanos mas y 2 centroamericanos. Cabezas de Grupo Zona Sur Group A brasil 1/2/3/4 B Brasil 1/2/3/4 C Arg 1 D Chile 1 E Bol 1 F Par 1 G Uru 1 H finalista Sur de edicion anterior otros 24 equipos de zona norte 5 brazileños mas, Arg 2, 3, 4, 5 y 6, Chile 2, 3 y 4, Uruguay 2, 3 y 4 Paraguay 2, 3 y 4, 2 peruanos.
se ve que el nivel de los equipos del zona norte sera mas bajo que los del zona sur. Y por que no quieres incluir MLS?
porque es un f**king travel, I do the moves to almost never travel from Argen-Chile-guay to Mexico, also I "hate" a playoff Buenos Aires New York, is not playable during the active season, maybe a tour in the off-season, like euros do.
stop the NONSENSE! NOBODY wants to watch the 14th place brazilian team or the 5th place venezuelan team for God's sake! or the 6th argentinian, or the 4th uruguayan etc etc etc we've got too many crappy teams already!
1. Nice work on the topic, the map and the explanation. 2. Why not use the Norte/Sur divide for the groups? say 8 groups north and 8 south. 3. To level out I would say all 5 Peru should go south and make up the balance by moving more Brazil teams south (10 north and 4 south). 4. I would still maybe keep the first playoff round divided North and South, but them mix them up with everyone can play everyone. 5. I kind of really like the system currently for Conmebol so I would say no to your idea 6. Still nice out of the box thinking on your part.
In 2013 we gonna have a January-June 2013 Copa Bridgestone Libertadores de América and a July-Decemeber 2013 Copa Bridgestone Sudamericana. What could be a January-November 2014 Copa Bridgestone Libertadores de América? Resulting in 8 north groups and 8 south groups, reducing the travel distances, enjoying the "locals" rivalries. Pot 1 and 2 (North and South) belong to the 10 last champions countries Boca from Argentina a lot, a lot of brazilians clubs, the ecuadorian LDU Quito in 2008 and the colombian Once Caldas in 2004 ( also Argentina, Colmbia and Ecuador are on top of the conmebol qualification to FIFA WC 2014, good national teams, good clubs logic). 4 mexicans because they make a good attendance and noise, but Peru is the souther travel they gonna do in the group stage. Populous Argentina and populous Colombia have both 7 teams in. The better brazilians teams have the privilegy of a shouter travel in the south zone. Thing can be fix but that is the base.
The only change I would make is have the Copa Libertadores start in September and finish in May. This would accomplish 3 things: 1) Eliminate the need to break for international tournaments and then resume in July with the semifinals and finals. Loses its momentum; 2) Currently it is too grueling if you pack the whole tournament from February to June. Teams that go far have no chance to compete on the domestic front since they have a CL game almost every mid-week; 3) Prevents teams from competing in both Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana. Should be one or the other.
Too much teams even if CONCACAF and CONMEBOL were a single confederation, even if that was the case you could add multiple qualifying rounds to give every country at least one chance.
actualmente tenemos 85 compitiendo anualmente en sudamerica; 38 en la Copa Libertadores y 47 en la Sudamericana, also 2 come back to play la Recopa Sudamericana, just 64 is not too much.
Yo no hablo espanol. so i will speak english. Why not use a national coefficient like UEFA uses for the UCL. Include all CONCACAF nations (Caribbean counts as 1 nation), 64 teams, no copa sudamericana. 1 game final.
14 fing teams from 1 country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously the problem with these tournies is too many fing Brazilian/Argie teams and you want to double that. Colombia doesn't have 6 good teams to compete in this and a year long tournie will just make the rest of the leagues shitty. You really think any teams outside of Mexico or Brazil have the money to have teams that compete in basically 2 leagues for a whole year? We need to have a smaller tournie that is fairer. 3 teams from every country + Sudamericana champion + another team. No more Mexican teams. Fing join South America and risk not qualifying or leave us the hell alone. Also a real way to qualify. So many times the same teams are in both the Sudamericana and the Copa Lib. That is BS in Europe Barca doesn't get to play both.
currenly many teams play 16 games in the Libertadores, 2 preliminares, 6 group games and 8 playoff games, including the finals between january and July, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Copa_Libertadores my system is 6 group games in feb-juny, and 10 playoff games in july-november. cero scape occupy by cero Copa Sudamericana. and december freeley to Club World Cup. It will be long but nicely spaced, nobody get trashed for play to many games.
1. Is just not true; When a team gets eliminated from the Champions they get to play in the UEFA cup (unless it is after the groups), for example last year, Manchester United played both the Champions league and the UEFA cup. 2. The two tournaments in Europe are concurrent, in South America they take place at different times that gives the opportunity for clubs to play in both. 3. Yes it would be a good idea to not play both.
Too many teams! It needs to be condensed especially 14 Brazilian team. I noticed you have 7 teams in the north Brazil..north Brazilian teams are equivalent to farm teams. It is good to see others who want a unified confederation. It would be better.
Every South American would love North America to join our qualifying confederation. We are just tired of Concacaf teams wanting to be all up in our junk but scared shitless to join us for WCQs. Or To play in your tounies. I remember Colombia with shit teams keep making the Semi Finals to finals of the Gold Cup. We eliminated Mexico after having a team so shitty it lost to panama twice and no South American team has been invited since
No se cansan de repetir lo mismo? si en los WCQ de conmebol es el mismo cuento siempre, Argentina Y brasil, 2 equipos super fuertes que siempre van a calificar luego un equipo en forma (ese rota cada 4 años) y los demas. Y en una confederación donde van 5 de 9 y hasta 6. De seguro me vas a citar diciendo que Venezuela Y bolivia tienen el nivel de italia y Alemania yq ue la altura y que la "hinchada" bla bla bla Por ejemplo ahora, Ecuador esta como 2do o 3ero y solo Valencia, Caicedo y por ahí Benitez son buenos, con eso te alcanza para estar segundos en la "confederacion mas dificil".
No soy de Ecuador pero apuesto que con eso les resta y es mas que suficiente para que le ganen a Panama que esta primero en la CONCACAF por ejemplo "ahora"
64 es una locura no hay tiempo en el calendario para tanto compromiso! es mas deberian acabar la pre-libertadores o repechaje para entrar a zona de grps deberian tener 8 paises = 3 equipos, para 24 mas 2 de mejico = 26 y el resto entre brazil/argentina= 32 en caso de invitar a MLS...un pre=grp entre un pais del cono norte 3r equipo, 3rd mejico y 2 Usians avanzan 2! el pais de cono norte de conmebol, que rote cada 10 meses (colom- venez o ecuador) ideas?