32 teams CONCACAF Champions League (how slots will be allocated?)

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by pc4th, Aug 18, 2010.

  1. vargasv71

    vargasv71 Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    california
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4 of 32 teams will go straight to a 16 team group stage, while the remaining ones will play home-and-away preliminary stage. Those 4 teams will be the 2 champions from FMF, the MLS champ, and winner of a revived Central Amer Champion cup. The final 24 will be ranked 1 to 24,w/#1 vs #24, #2 vs # 23, and so on. Mexican, MLS and Costa Rican league teams will be ranked in the top 12 so that they do not play each other. Costa rica's ranking in top 12 is based on their cumulative performance over the history of the competition dating back to 1962, in whatever incarnation.
     
  2. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Revolt: Not sure what you are proposing. First, you propose a 32-team field; OK on that. They it looks like you propose a 24-team field without any USA nor MEX teams; was there something more in your idea?

    Vargas: You seem to be proposing a 28-team field (not 32), with four teams into the group stage and 24 teams in a preliminary round. First, this is basically the format that Concacaf has already "rejected" (changed out of), so I don't see them going back to this format soon. Second, a "revived Central Amer[ican] Champion cup" will basically render a Concacaf-wide preliminary round obsolete. The tournament-proper could then be: Mexico (4), USA (4), Central (4), Canada (1), Carribbean (2), and another spot up for grabs (Holders, Carribbean #3, Canada #2, or even a playoff between Carr-3 and Can-2).

    Actually, that 16-team format doesn't look half-bad: preliminaries would be back to regional-based; the USA-v-MEX matches in the group stage would be back; ... (or maybe the R-16 would be a knockout, with a group stage at the final-8 level).
     
  3. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Bump Because 2014 is a now world and my 32 team now list
    8 USA teams
    2 Canadians
    6 Mexican
    12 Centroamericans
    and 4 caribbeans.

    pot 1 : 8 USA
    pot 2: 6 mexican and 2 canadians
    pot 3: best 8 centroamericans
    pot 4: 4 worst centroamericans and 4 caribbeans.
     
  4. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US gets more spots than Mexico why? And 2/3 of the D1 teams in Canada get slots?
     
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  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    MLS + Liga MX = 1/2 of the tournament. No thanks.
     
  6. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. In UEFA (which has more countries with good clubs than CONCACAF) two countries can only combine for a quarter of the Group Stage clubs. The CONCACAF Champions Cup had half the clubs from USA and Mexico but there's a difference between giving two league 4 out of 8 clubs and giving them 16 out of 32 clubs.
     
  7. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I understand the rules starting next season, two countries can get five clubs each: The UCL and UEL champoins get bids to the next UCL, and if a team outside that country's top four win one, that country can get five (but not six).

    But also, one big difference is that in Europe, there are six big countries. In our region, there are two biggies, a few next-level (but nowhere on a par with 4-5-6 in Europe), and a lot of lowlifes.
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that means that we do not need 32 teams then.

    Going down to 16 would probably be better.

    Or give more spots to CFU and have those teams take a beating.
     
  9. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whatever the number, we should "max out" on Mex and Usa/Can teams. We need more attractive games in the first round. (Honestly, how many of these games thrilled you in this 3x8 format, with no Mex v Usa matches?)
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You want the best quality elimination round?

    Convince Liga MX to go single season and just send the playoff Champion to the FIFA CWC.

    That way you max out with teams from the best league in Concacaf.
     
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  11. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    For 2015-16, but yeah, you're right.
    • The winners of the previous season's UEFA Europa League will qualify for the UEFA Champions League. They will enter at least the play-off round, and will enter the group stage if the berth reserved for the Champions League title holders is not used.
    • The previous limit of a maximum of four teams per association will be increased to five, meaning that if the Champions League title holders finish outside the top four of their domestic league, the fourth-placed team of their association will not be prevented from participating in the tournament.
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The games may not thrill you, but as a Red Bulls fan I'm happy that this time we will play in a Group Stage as opposed to losing and being eliminated at home by a club from Trinidad and Tobago in the Qualifying Round.

    Here's a Group Stage idea that allows for USA vs. Mexico matches in the Group Stage:

    Mexico 1, Mexico 2, USA 1, and USA 2 would be the only Mexican or American club in their group.
    Mexico 3 and USA 4 would be together, and Mexico 4 and USA 3 would be together.
    Costa Rica 1 and Honduras 1 would not be grouped with any American or Mexican clubs.
    The Canadian club could go into any of the six groups that didn't have a Mexican club and an American club.

    With my idea I would be fine with a coefficient system that allowed the two groups without a Mexican or American club to go to clubs from the two best countries other than Mexico and USA rather than Costa Rica and Honduras on a permanent basis.
     
  13. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Bump because 2018 is a whole new world.

    Aniway I talk about the 2020 CCL edition
    5 USA
    5 Mexico
    2 Canada, after complete season of CPL 2019 with 8 or more teams in.
    3 Costa Rica becausd awesome
    3 Guatemala by population
    2 Salvador
    2 Panama
    2 Honduras
    2 Nicaragua
    1 Belice
    1 jamaica
    1 Dominican Republic
    1 Haiti
    1 T&T
    1 Caribbean cup

    12 Northers, 15 Centros and 5 caribbeans.
     
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Are you proposing a change in format back to a single tournament? Right now at total of 31 teams get into the two tournaments. The Fall CONCACAF League has 16 teams with the winner advancing to join 15 more teams in the Spring CONCACAF Champions League.

    Both "leagues" are now knockout tournaments.
     
  15. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, actual CCL is too tiny and short and play the ConcacafCup is irrelevant gloryless.
    Feb to nov always.
     
  16. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    LOL you were way off. And will there even be a World Cup break this year, considering they don't need one
     
  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS breaks for the Group Stage. MLS will have one game the night before the World Cup, two games during the Group Stage, and resume with one game on the Friday one day after the last Group Stage games and a full schedule that weekend.
     
  18. MisterJawn_215

    United States
    Feb 17, 2018
    USA should not get as many spots as Mexico.
     
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  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Consider this as Speculation/Rumours:
    https://www.facebook.com/Fútbol-de-las-Américas-763038147240611/

    Translation (not a great one):
    The Concacaf Champions League could change format for 2020

    The tournament would have 8 GROUPS OF 4 teams


    3 more places will be added to Canada because they already have a professional league that will start in 2019

    The Caribbean will receive 1 more

    The Remaining 4 slots will be given to center America in pre-qualifying rounds just like one of Canada will define this, one will be for the concacaf league champion

    The Concacaf League will expand and it will be like the South American cup
    There is talk of making the concacaf cup cup winner (Supercopa) between the Champions League Champions and the concacaf league
    The Recopa would be for 2019 or 2020 and would be played in the United States


    My understanding

    A-8 Groups of 4

    • 4 spots to Mexico & USA = 8
    • 3.5 spots to Canada (3 straight to Champions League and 1 spot having to survive Champions League Qualifications)
    • 3 spots to Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, Slavador & Guatemala = 15
    • 2 spots to Caribbeans teams = 2
    • 1 CONCACAF League Champions
    • Remaining 4 to Central America Qualifying rounds (including 1 Canadian club)=4
    Total 32 teams

    B-CONCACAF League becomes this region's Europa League or Copa Sudamericana
    • CONCACAF League Champions qualify for following year's Champions League
    C-United States to host "Super Cup" between the Champions League winner and CONCACAF League Winner
     
  20. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This makes no sense.

    There are currently 31 teams that make the Concacaf tournament.

    16 in the Concacaf League + 15 more in the Concacaf champions (with the Concacaf league winner playing in both).

    So to add the Canadian teams they will have to take spots away from other concacaf leagues.

    the article is probably nothing but speculation.

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    Then concacaf Champions.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_CONCACAF_League
     
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  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I don't see any source cited for this other than the writer of the Facebook page. Whoever that person is is also saying that FIFA will force the Canadian MLS teams to join the CPL.

    EDIT: I now notice the Speculation/Rumor disclaimer.
     
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  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #72 Robert Borden, Jun 11, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2018
    Although the whole thing is pure speculation, the current format is terrible. What's being speculated here would bring us in line with what UEFA and CONMEBOL are doing.

    We've seen that willingness from Montagliani to have CONCACAF more in line with the other confederations, so the format being speculated is not a surprised and consistent with how he wants CONCACAF to become.

    Sure that many teams competing means growing pains and quality disparity, but how else will this confederation improves if we keep isolating the weakest teams/nations?
     
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  23. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I haven't notice FIFA forcing MLS teams in CPL but CPL president Paul Beirne said that they had no intention of forcing teams in CPL, however, the league wants to grow to the point that it makes sense to them as well. That's more of a "long term goal".

    Such an extreme move would be executed by the CSA, not FIFA.
     
  24. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Right. Which is why I tend to discount the person who has posted about changes in the CCL.
     
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  25. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Robert Borden's list has 8 + 3 + 15 + 2 + 1 + 4 = 33 clubs, not 32. I counted the Canadian 3.5 as 3 because the half spot will be part of the 4 qualifying spots. It would be unfair if five UNCAF countries get 3 clubs each while all clubs from Belize and Nicaragua have to qualify. If UNCAF gets 15 clubs who don't have to qualify, it should be something like this:

    Costa Rica: 3
    Honduras: 3
    Panama: 3
    El Salvador: 2
    Guatemala: 2
    Belize: 1
    Nicaragua: 1

    The Caribbean gets 4 clubs out of 31 in the CCL and CL combined, so I don't see it being reduced to 2 without having clubs in qualifying. One way to do qualifying would be:

    Qualifying Round 1:
    Panama
    El Salvador
    Guatemala
    Belize
    Nicaragua
    Caribbean 4 through 6

    Qualifying Round 2:
    Costa Rica
    Honduras
    Canada
    Caribbean 3
    4 Qualifying Round 1 winners

    Each qualifying round would have four two-leg series.
     

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