2022 World Cup Qualifiers CONCACAF

Discussion in 'CONCACAF' started by Robert Borden, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    I'd still rather be in the Hex. Allows for 3-4 "off" games and to still have a chance. If you're not in the Hex, you're going to have to almost go perfect - that's a lot of games without a slip-up (red card?), with several games required against teams of similar levels (7-12 range in region rankings).
     
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  2. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Plus, even then, all you earn is a home and away against an opponent from another confederation.
     
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  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #78 EvanJ, Sep 11, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2019
    All the knockout rounds will have both legs in the same window. The Quarterfinals will be in March 2021, with Semifinals from May 31 to June 8, Final from August 30 to September 7, and playoff against fourth in the Hexagonal in October. Then they will have November off and play the interconfederational playoff in March 2022. Other than during the Group Stage, the worst time to get injured would be shortly before the Semifinals because the Final is one month later and all the other gaps between aggregate rounds are longer than that.

    In addition to the chance of qualification, I would think teams would like to make money from hosting the top teams in the Hexagonal. Do you think Curacao would rather finish last in the Hexagonal or play with the bottom 29, advance four rounds, and lose to the fourth place Hexagonal team? There could be many people who haven't ever watched Curacao play a WCQ, won't watch them play a WCQ if they play with the bottom 29, but will watch them if they play WCQs against Mexico and USA. On October 12, 2012, Antigua and Barbuda almost got a draw hosting USA before USA won 2-1. Even if Curacao had over a 50 percent chance at losing all six games against Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica, they would have a chance of getting at least 1 point against a top three team at some point.
     
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  4. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    It does seem that Canada has a better chance of finishing "best of the rest" and then taking on the number 4 team in the Hex, rather than playing in the Hex, and finishing better than 4th (or even worse, 5th or 6th).

    But what do we get out of that - another year of playing minnows like Cuba and St. Vincent ... which are getting increasingly hard to fill stadium, and get much interest.

    Need better competition to improve. Canada needs to be in the Hex.
     
  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This isn't even a question: much better to take their chances in the Hex (and possibly claw their way to 3rd and straight to Qatar) then having to go through FIVE playoff rounds to reach the Promised Land.
     
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  6. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Away games in Central America are no easy task.

    I mean even the USMNT struggles in Guatemala City for example, imagine Canada?

    The Hexagonal is a much better option to qualify than an early playoff elimination versus a CA opponent
     
  7. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    I'd prefer to be in the Hex, but Canada hasn't performed well in the Hex. Could easily finish 4th, 5th, or 6th.

    Canada is 1-1-1 playing in Guatemala.

    To succeed in the Hex, Canada still has to win away in Latin America - against tougher teams than Guatemala or Cuba!
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I doubt Canada sputtering out in 1997 is in any way indicative of how they would do now.
     
  9. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    And we did qualify for the intercontinental playoff for 94...which we lost to Australia
     
  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I recall Forge FC doing well against Antigua GFC
     
  11. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    WCQ is a different animal from club football.
     
  12. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    That Canadian win was in the semi-final round of WCQ for Germany 2006.

    Guatemala had already clinched qualification to the hexagonal and the game was played with mostly non-starters (not taken seriously). The first match was a 0-2 victory on Canadian soil.
     
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  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In a Hexagonal of Mexico, USA, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Honduras, and Canada, Canada would play the top two Central American teams. Antigua isn't close to one of the top two Central American clubs. They're tied for 27th among Central American clubs in ArsenalMetro's coefficients.
     
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    If the rotation system continues ("fortuitously") and C-CAF gets the #5 from C-BOL, the entire Lower Seeded Tournament is going to seem a huge waste of time.
     
  15. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Sad but true.
     
  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Look, the only realistic chance of qualifying is finishing top 3 in CONCACAF, and the only way that’s possible is by being in the HEX.

    That doesn’t mean its gonna be easy to finish top 3 , but better than 0% chance. This isn’t 2005. There’s only one good team in CONCACAF right now.

    Moving along....so what is Canada’s chance after the US win?
     
  17. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's anyone's race now - and Canada are in the lead, but hardly in the driver's seat.

    The long version:



    The tl;dr version: Canada need a result in Orlando to keep ahead of the pack; if they lose, and El Salvador win their two home games in November, El Salvador will overtake them.

    Then again, Curaçao could make a huge jump if they beat Costa Rica and get to the Final Four (and who knows, if they avoid Mexico, they could win a semifinal and guarantee a Hex berth in the process :eek: ).
     

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