2019 Women's World Cup - DRAW

Discussion in 'Women's World Cup' started by WWC_Movement, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    maybe....

    ...until i have to research my daughter's boyfriend, or my prospective business partner, or some similar situation, and can't find relevant info because they were able to have it expunged.
     
  2. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    These are the typical things I don't think it's fair to have available on the net. Everyone should have the right not to have their whole life spelled on the net. Although I don't have nothing in particular to hide nor to be ashamed of, I always try to leave as few traces of myself on the net as I can.
     
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  3. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    What I meant was the privacy law that is quite restrictive in France. The FFF threatened to sue one website that had published the information and the info was removed.
     
  4. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    #104 luvdagame, Dec 30, 2018
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    temporary tangent, i know.

    isn’t life kind of designed to be unfair tho? unfairness is coded into it. (unless people and systems with inherited advantages willingly surrender their edge to the many who actually need it...and they’re never going to do that).

    if it’s illegally put up it should be taken down. but in many cases it’s legitimate news or we put the information there ourselves.

    it’s really on us to read all the fine print in google’s/facebook’s/twitter’s /any e-purchase terms & conditions, and understand the nature of their permanence before we give them our pictures and other information and click “accept”.


    that may be the right approach.
     
  5. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    #105 blissett, Dec 30, 2018
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    Oh, sure. Life is designed to be absolutely unfair. I guess that's why legal systems exist, though: to avoid bullies to thrive on this unfairness and to try to somehow get (a little part of) the balance right. Of course, there is no way to actually make life a completely fair game, but I guess some slight corrections can be made. Since the ones with so consistent "inherited advantages" that they can completely ignore life's unfairness are a tiny minority (at best), I guess most of us are more or less interested in those "corrections".
    For my part, I guess I didn't get so many "inherited advantages" in particular, so I always appreciate anything that can somehow tip in my favour the scale of the humongous inherent injustice that the life shows. I am aware that I belong to that lower level of society that can gain very few advantages from the defense of the wild "state of nature" and I love every little edge that laws aiming to "fairness" can give to me instead.

    That's exactly what I do. I don't care for social network and I keep as much of my life as I can for myself (and/or a few people I love, but through just analogic sharing methods).
     
  6. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #106 MiLLeNNiuM, Dec 30, 2018
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    Perhaps there needs to be a statute of limitations. I don't think that the stupid things kids post in their teenage years should come back to haunt them 10-20-30 years later. I'm referring to how this affects the many vs the few. I'm a huge advocate of privacy laws because I fear an out-of-control government more than a few bad personal decisions.

    I'm with Blissett - I don't really post stuff on social media, but more so because I'm too old and think it's a waste of time.

    Regarding researching a daughter's boyfriend, business partner, etc.:
    1) You need to ask yourself how your child/partner would view such action.
    2) I trust my own intuition and would much rather meet and speak with a person several times rather than just do a bland data search.
    3) I prefer good old fashion face-to-face because I feel like I'm a really good judge of character.
     
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  7. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
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    To beat the USWNT in this World Cup, you will need to match their physicality.

    American women are badass, and represent what Girl Power is all about.
    Just like the Girl Power this video.

     
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  8. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Definitely, they have the best spirit and teamfeeling out of all teams imo which takes them one level above the other teams
     
  9. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The US has problems though Jill Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players. So you got Carli Lloyd who's going to be 37, Megan Rapinoe at 34 & baby horse herself, Alex Morgan who as well has turned 30. All of turned of them are a bit banged up right now but still up playing. This was the same problem at the Olympics(where you only got a 18 spot roster & half her team had some sort of injury)

    The one thing Ellis got to credit is that she knows it's a women's game, meaning(especially vs Eutopeans) that the opponents will try complex tactics used by men probably will not work since either women's bodies can't match up with men's or they don't have the huge participation rate as men neither the large salaries to home in their skills. That's why Ellis hard core, high press usually works in getting then turnovers in danger zones sinc e especially CB's are so vulnerable to making mistakes or don't have the ability to boot it our line men do.
    The upcoming Spain friendly should be interesting cuz Spain is trying so hard to incorporate their famed tiki tacca on to their women's side & we saw them actually out posses Germany I. Their last game(thought the was impossible, lol). But got the feeling it be the same old, CB mistakes that will kull them. If not(& they win) then the woso world finally really has something!
     
  10. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Complex tactics? No one goes to Guardiola's level in women's football.
     
  11. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ??? Of the 23 players on the 2015 US World Cup roster, 11 are on the roster for the upcoming camp in Portugal and the games against France and Spain. That means 15 new players.
     
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  12. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

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    I never mentioned anything about the 2015 WC roster...... a tea...btw.. Ellis inherited, reading from an article from the womensoccerunited website argued the US had 5 out the top 10 world's top strikers on the same squad at the time(Morgan, Press, Leroux, Wambach, Lloyd)

    my concern(as expressed to to my reply to poster, Thomsen@) is that Ellis picks are getting up in age. We don't know as of yet the WC roster, but looking at womensoccerway roster instead, there's going to be 10 players in the 30+ plus age by the time of the WC
    USA - United States - Results, fixtures, squad, statistics, photos, videos and news - Women Soccerway

    now take a look at #2 Germany, they only got one player at the 30 year mark

    Germany - Germany - Results, fixtures, squad, statistics, photos, videos and news - Women Soccerway

    both #3 & #4 France & England came in at four 30+ players each. So definitely unofficial rosters, but that your Ellis so called newbies also have 3 players at 28 years of age is a bit alarming considering Americans that can't make it on Ellis squad are now dominating the goal scoring over at Australia's W-League.
    how many men's teams reach the complexity of Guardiola? But woso tries at times to do it; the recent Wolfsburg/Potsdam game was interesting in that Potsdam took on arguably the world's top front line in Hansen, Harder & Pajor with a 3 back that send their one & only CB up field to closely mark Pajor where ever she went as well as marking the rest of their powerhouse lineup 1v1 leaving their back virtually defenseless, yet Wolfsburg couldn't figure out how to free their own players for what should of been easy goals & only got a draw vs a lesser squad

    Spain is unique in that their trying to take the game to higher level, as compared to Ellis & her cheapened way of bouncing on the CB's & GK's mistakes cause they don't have the ability to clear the ball as most men can do.Last friendly vs Germany, Spain was very cleverly able to get their lone striker(Maronia) behind German lines, but then she couldn't beat their 4th back up GK(Frohms) 1v1. So it's the quality in woso even at the highest levels can be missing.

    At least your own France might have the most athletic CB combo in woso with M'Bock/Renard, who are able get those clearance's that otherwise Ellis would take advantage of with a high press. Noticing that the Deacon has gone with a 3 back(as NOT to waist time with endless back passing) but probable too tha most opponents will bunker against her home field advantage
     
  13. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The nature of international football does not allow for much tactical complexity.
    You have your players for one week/10 days then they go back to their club for one or two months then you got them again for 10 days etc... the only time you have a long period with them ( more than two days is in tournament mode) otherwise they are with their clubs or on holidays.
     
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  14. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You said Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players. I pointed out that of the 26 players in the upcoming camp, 15 were not on the 2015 World Cup roster, so that's 15 new players. She obviously doesn't have a problem bringing in new players, looking at today's roster vs the 2015 WWC.

    Actually, at the start of the WWC, there will be 9 players in the 30+ range, of which 2 are keepers, so field players:

    Defenders: Sauebruun (34), O'Hara (30) -- It's hard to argue their being on the roster is a sign Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players, they're too good to be evidence of that.

    Midfielders: Zerboni (32) -- She's one of the borderline for making the final roster, but she's clearly not evidence Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players since she is a new player.

    Forwards: Heath (31), Rapinoe (33), McDonald (31), Lloyd (36) -- As with Sauerbruun and O'Hara, I don't think there's a valid argument they're evidence Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players. McDonald isn't evidence of it either, because she is a new player. For Lloyd, there's an argument, probably better along the line that Ellis likes to have at least a few players who have "been there, done that." But she's really the only player on the roster (outside of GKs) that arguably could support your statement about Ellis. Morgan will turn 30 on July 2, so she'll be 29 for all but the semis and finals. And, however you count her age, she's not evidence Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players.
    The average age for the keepers is 30. The average for the defenders is 26 1/4. The average for the midfielders is 26 1/2. The average for the forwards is 30 1/4 (counting Morgan as 30 and Rapinoe as 34, though they'll be 29 and 33 for most of the WWC). Apart from the forwards, that's definitely not an "old" group. Putting all the field players together, the average age is 27 1/2 (again counting Morgan as 30 and Rapinoe as 34). I don't think that will be particularly "old" as compared to other top teams (although we don't know yet because we don't know what their rosters are going to be).

    In fact, with all the new players it's hard to figure out where the idea that Ellis doesn't like bringing in new players comes from. I can see that argument based on the roster selections for the 2015 WWC, but since then she's brought in lots of new players.
     
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  15. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
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    I'll just add that the teams in the 2015 final had the oldest rosters at the WWC. Age is a consideration, but not the end-all.
     
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  16. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lil-one prompted me to do a search since I remembered a BigSoccer pre-2015 discussion about the ages of teams' rosters, with some posters complaining that the US roster was too old. lol, lil-one posted some great info:

    Average ages on teams winning the Women's World Cups:​

    1991: USA 23 3/4
    1995: Norway: 23 3/4
    1999: USA 25 3/4
    2003: Germany 27 1/2
    2007: Germany 26 1/4
    2011: Japan 27 1/4

    Notice the trend?

    For the January camp in 2015, the USA's average age was 27 3/4.

    For all men's champions, the average age has been 27.5.
    Thanks, lil-one.

    Looks like Ellis' roster's average age of 27.5 is just about right. A blend of old and new.
     
  17. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    can't argue with all the research you done & just noticed Ellis is bringing back Davidson(my fav at last year;s SBC) Just that there is so much untapped talent out there. I put this is list on what a US B team would look like just based playing in the Aussie W-League
    What a US 'B' team would look like | BigSoccer Forum

    if they can dominate the stats over the Aussies, then this stand alone team(if well coached) would be probably stronger than the #6 Matildas

    same thing with an all star college team(considering how well Florida ST's Malia Berkely played their last few games, she even out shined Davidson)

    so basically considering the wealth & depth in the US, it's going to be Ellis World Cup to loose
    well, so many of the world's most renowned tactics like tikki takka & total football became famous at the Word Cup, but both most likely variants from Barca & Ajax clubs teams

    ironically(you being French)it's France in woso that keeps starting up to 8 members of the same club(Lyon) on their NT side(not sure currently but in the past) that makes them a great friendlies team, but that usually fails them at the major summer tournies(this is when other NT's work on perfecting their own complex tactics)
     
  18. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

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    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm ambivalent about "whose cup it is to lose." One could say the US should win. On the other hand, France is playing at home. Not only that, but the semis and finals are in Lyon, in the stadium where most of the French players play for OL. Of the French, one can say, "If not now, when?"
     
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  19. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

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    #119 hotjam2, Jan 9, 2019
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    seems like the French always look like their the best team in the world right prior to an major tourney. I mean, right before the 2017 Euros, they swanked Ellis at SBC, beat the Dutch in a friendly,leaving the coach unbeaten going into that tourney. Even prior to the 2015 WC, they got impressive wins vs Germany & USA in friendlies. Currently, they haven't lost a match since last year's SBC. So the question got to be; why they keep flopping at the most important tournies?

    on the pro side, they got a nice mix of technical & athletic players(one of the few CB combos that know how to boot the ball out of the danger zones). They big home crowds(for the NT or some of the major pro games) show that woso keeps gaining popularity in their country, thus more participants.

    on the con side; just only 3 actual pro clubs. And the biggest criticism of all(and this is even from French critics) is that they throw all their marbles on just one club, Lyon,.

    Perhaps winning the Champions league is more profitable(for whoever the French woso hierarchy is) than the WC or Euros, but everything centers around Lyon. So when 6-8 starters for NT come from the same club, it's be hard for any NT coach to come in & try a drastic change of tactics after playing & being familiar with the same, Lyon style all year round. Case in point, the often mistake prone Lyon GK, Bouhadi usually is the NT one in most major games & if she's not available, than usually(or in the past) Lyon's sub GK takes over.

    Remember, except for a few other teams, there's almost no competition for Lyon whether it's in their own league or early CL play(as even FIFA gave them 6 out the world's 10 player picks to them). So it's a team that not only gets complacent over age, but than the French members have to switch over their own NT, who's other members at times can't take the place or fit in with the highly talented international players on Lyon

    but then again, maybe having the home advantage will change all that?
     
  20. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
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    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    It's very simple, no attacking player for France has been consistent enough to put the ball in the back of the net when it matters. Since 2009... and guess what during that period the start striker at Lyon were/are Lotta Schelin and Ada Hegerberg,it says it all.
     
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  21. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

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    Real Madrid
    #121 hotjam2, Jan 11, 2019
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    but now France could have a genuine striker in Katato. Currently she's tied with Ada in FF1 league scoring
    Summary - Feminine Division 1 - France - Results, fixtures, tables and news - Women Soccerway

    it really depends on the NT coach if she wants to build the team around a goal scorer like Katato or around Lyon

    perhaps in similar vein; Alex Morgan was only tied for 15th place in goal scoring for last year's NWSL goal leaders. But under a different coach, Ellis, she's by far the leading score for her NT with something like 18 goals in 2018, So you know, in part Ellis wants to the ball to go to Morgan(whereas the NWSL coach had altered ideas for Alex)

    and yet Ellis don't seem to favor last season's NWSL top American goal scorer, Lynn Williams(as she's had a hard time making it on our NT). But if you read some of our American posters; they felt like Lynn's NC Courage club(based in part, getting the ball to Lynn) would beat Ellis's NT squad in a match up.
     
  22. L'orange

    L'orange Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Lynn Williams could certainly play for the U.S. NT and play well; score goals. Why she hasn't figured in Ellis's plans, I don't know. Well, one big reason is that Ellis has an established group of players and isn't going to deviate too much from them.

    I don't think age will be much of an issue, if any, for the U.S., though two key players in Rapinoe and Sauerbrunn are definitely up in age and each has lost a step, for sure. The rigors of a big, longish tourney might affect them--not to mention the fact that the U.S. has lined up a LOT of pre-WC friendlies. Too many? Maybe...Morgan and Heath, each 30/31, have a lot of miles on their legs as well. That's four key players who are in the 30/31 to 35 age range.

    RE France, I think they definitely have the talent to win the WC, and will by buoyed by playing at home, for sure. They'll have to believe, and there's no reason why they shouldn't be confident by the knockout stage, with French crowds giving the squad just that extra fillip. Beyond that, Australia can play with the U.S., they've proved it, but they're very dependent on one striker for scoring and that could be an issue for them. I also think England and The Netherlands could go deep in the the tourney--two teams with golden-generation players in their prime. England will be hurt by the absence of Nobbs, but they've got a lot of good talent on that squad.
     
  23. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    not sure with England; the former coach, Sampson, was a superior technician/or at least, knew what works best, a hard core, high press(thanks to the poor clearances in woso). The newer coach, Neville, plays his team too tight & usually only uses one attacker, either Jodie Taylor(fading) or Ellen White(currently injured). He keeps starting the two same slow pokes, Haughton & Bronze, at CB. England lost their last friendly at home, by a convincing score, 0-2 to Sweden, using that horrid back line.

    but there is hope; they got an amazing B squad that played exceptionally well against Austria that same weekend. If only Neville starts these players instead like Mead, Williamson, Stanway(who's become a bona fide superstar these season all ready & Daly(who has started, but idiotcally, in the back instead of the front))we could see them become prime contenders
     
  24. JohnPaulJones

    JohnPaulJones New Member

    Celtic Glasgow
    Jan 15, 2019
    To me, this tournament is a complete tossup in the sense of who could be winning it. The field of competitors has become so even that basically Euro 2017 like a Holland could basically walk into this and win it. Maybe this also follows the most recent of FIFA trends of all strong teams turning up on one side of the tournament brackets.
     
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  25. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    As mentioned earlier in this thread, the USA and France are set to meet in just the QFs if groups and R16 matches go as expected. And if Germany drop to 2nd in their group, (which wouldn't be entirely surprising given recent form,) they would be set to face the USA in the R16! There are your FIFA top 3 right there in the same quarter of the bracket.
     
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