2019 U.S. Open Cup

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by newtex, Aug 29, 2018.

  1. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    First result of the re-scheduled games:

    2019 USOC - Qualifying Tournament

    Home team first, times are ET

    3rd Round
    Central Region


    TBD
    Motagua New Orleans (LA) v. NTX Rayados (TX) PPD

    Mountain Region

    Sunday, December 2
    FC Denver (CO) 4-1 Gam United Football Club (CO)

    Southern California Region

    TBD
    Cal FC (CA) 2-2 (suspended) California United FC II (CA)

    West Region

    TBD
    Oakland Stompers (CA) v. Academica SC (CA) PPD


    Fourth Qualifying Round: March 9-10, 2019 (if necessary)
    Fifth Qualifying Round: April 6-7, 2019 (if necessary)
     
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  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why can't decide on how many clubs and rounds there will be so they don't need to say "if necessary"? Now they added a possible Fifth Qualifying Round.
     
  4. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because the Brooklyn Italians didn't like the result of the draw and decided to take matters into their own hands.

    "What kinda mamaluke pulls this kinda sh!t anyways? You got dis guy from the USSF Open Cup Scheduling Committee standing around with his dick in his hand like a ja-jooch, and I ask him, how many rounds we gonna play. An he goes t'me, he goes, 'it depends' It depends? Whaaadafaaak! So I asks him again, dis time with Louie the Chin and his stugatz brudda, Psycho Joey, standin' next to me, just so he might have a little more, you know, incentive to answer this time. So he sez, 'are you talkin' about the Open Cup Proper or just the preliminary rounds? Be specific.' Be pacific? My yass! If you don't shaddup, yaw gonna be swimmin' in the Atlantic!"
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    More info on the re-scheduled games. Still one game TBD.

    2019 USOC - Qualifying Tournament

    Home team first, times are ET

    3rd Round
    Central Region


    Saturday, January 12
    Motagua New Orleans (LA) v. NTX Rayados (TX) 8:00 pm

    Mountain Region

    Sunday, December 2
    FC Denver (CO) 4-1 Gam United Football Club (CO)

    Southern California Region

    TBD
    Cal FC (CA) 2-2 (suspended) California United FC II (CA)

    West Region

    Saturday, January 5
    Oakland Stompers (CA) v. Academica SC (CA) 10:30 pm


    Fourth Qualifying Round: March 9-10, 2019 (if necessary)
    Fifth Qualifying Round: April 6-7, 2019 (if necessary)
     
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  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Another 3rd round qualifier is final. Still two to go.

    2019 USOC - Qualifying Tournament

    Home team first, times are ET

    3rd Round
    Central Region


    Saturday, January 12
    Motagua New Orleans (LA) v. NTX Rayados (TX) 10:00 pm

    Mountain Region

    Sunday, December 2
    FC Denver (CO) 4-1 Gam United Football Club (CO)

    Southern California Region

    Wednesday, January 16
    Cal FC (CA) v. California United FC II (CA) 10:00 pm

    West Region

    Saturday, January 5
    Oakland Stompers (CA) 0-1 Academica SC (CA)


    Fourth Qualifying Round: April 6-7, 2019
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I'll put the Canadian Championship in this thread as well.

    The 2019 Canadian Championship format is out.

    https://www.canadasoccer.com/canada...-and-24-matches-p161994-preview-1&language=en

    As expected there will be 13 teams participating. It is a home-and-away tournament throughout with away goals as a tie-breaker but no extra time. Matches will go straight to PKs if even after the two legs.

    [​IMG]

    1st Qualifying Round
    May 15 and 22
    AS Blainville (PLSQ)
    Vaughn Azzurri (OL1)
    Cavalry FC (CPL)
    HFX Wanderers (CPL)
    Pacific FC (CPL)
    York 9 FC (CPL)

    2nd Qualifying Round
    June 5 and 12
    The three 1st Qualifying Round winners plus,
    FC Edmonton (CPL)
    Forge FC (CPL)
    Valour FC (CPL)

    3rd Qualifying Round
    July 10 and 24
    The three 2nd Qualifying Round winners plus,
    Ottawa Fury (USL-C)
    Montreal Impact (MLS)
    Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS)

    Semifinals
    August 7 and 14
    The three 3rd Qualifying Round winners plus,
    FC Toronto (MLS)

    Finals
    September 18 and 25
    The semifinal winners face off.
     
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  8. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Crazy that Toronto only has to play 4 games.

    I wonder if CPL expands and they end up with 16 teams (11 CPL, 3 MLS, 1 PLSQ, and 1 L1O) if they'll go to a straight single-leg knockout tournament.
     
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  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    It is more teams now, of course, but in the past 4 games to win the title was normal for the MLS teams up there.

    I'd be surprised if they go away from home-and-away. It is more likely that they stick with the current system at least in the near future. With 16 teams and presuming that Ottawa is a CPL team in the future they will probably go like this:

    1st Qualifying Round
    2 amateur teams
    8 CPL teams

    2nd Qualifying Round
    The five 1st Qualifying Round winners plus,
    3 CPL teams

    3rd Qualifying Round
    The four 2nd Qualifying Round winners plus,
    2 MLS teams

    Semifinals
    The three 3rd Qualifying Round winners plus,
    1 MLS team

    Finals
    The semifinal winners face off.

    That is just a slight variation of this year with very few teams playing more games. From what they've said they want the CPL teams play more games outside of the league at least at this point. Reportedly they aren't going to have league playoffs.

    If the CPL goes bigger than 11 teams then they just have the amateur teams play a round to get in the tournament. If the CPL really expands or they really do start a CPL-2 then that's when you might see changes.
     
  11. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two questions: Is that the same FC Edmonton from the NASL and was there any reason Valour and Forge got auto spots in the second round?
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yes, it is the same Edmonton FC from the NASL.

    The entry round positioning was done by the CSA sort off on a seniority system. Valour and Forge were the earliest teams to join the CPL so they got to wait until the 2nd round.
     
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  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For sure, I get that they are the champions, but they should play at least 6 games, hopefully it is just for a year or 2 (then again the CPL may collapse after a year or 2).
     
  14. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With 16 clubs, I'd prefer 8 enter in Round 1, 4 enter in Round 2, and 4 enter in Round 3, which would be the Quarterfinals. The last 4 clubs to enter could be the MLS clubs and the CPL champion, thus giving the CPL clubs a chance to start as late as the MLS clubs. I don't like the term "Qualifying Round." I think that term should only be used if there are more rounds after the last qualifying round. For example, the UEFA Champions League has 5 rounds after the Playoff (final qualifying) Round, and the English FA Cup has 8 rounds after Qualifying Round 4 (the last qualifying round). I'm not complaining about you because you're just using the round names from the CSA.
     
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  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Sure. That would work as well. I just threw my plan together to keep it as similar as I could to what they've done recently. And to keep home-and-away match-ups.

    My main point was that they are unlikely to go to an even 16 team bracket with single knockout games as was suggested.
     
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    TheCup.us is reporting on twitter that the number of teams in the 2019 U.S. Open Cup will be reduced from previous years. Just 84 this year after almost 100 in 2017 and 2018.





    It looks like

    Round 1: 8 LQ + 14 NPSL + 10 USL-2 + 6 USL-1= 38 teams
    Round 2: 25 USL-C teams enter against 19 winners
    Round 3: 22 winners play off
    Round 4: 21 MLS teams enter against 11 winners.
     
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  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    84 clubs would be the fewest since 2014. Does the amount of teams tell us how many qualifying rounds there will be as opposed to there being a Fourth Qualifying Round and Fifth Qualifying Round if necessary?
     
  18. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any reason given for why they cut it down?
     
  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    One more 3rd round match is complete. One more to go:

    2019 USOC - Qualifying Tournament

    Home team first, times are CT

    3rd Round
    Central Region


    Saturday, January 12
    Motagua New Orleans (LA) 1-1 (pks 9-10) NTX Rayados (TX)

    Mountain Region

    Sunday, December 2
    FC Denver (CO) 4-1 Gam United Football Club (CO)

    Southern California Region

    Wednesday, January 16
    Cal FC (CA) v. California United FC II (CA) 10:00 pm

    West Region

    Saturday, January 5
    Oakland Stompers (CA) 0-1 Academica SC (CA)


    Fourth Qualifying Round: April 6-7, 2019
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The USSF had already announced that there will be a 4th Qualifying Round on April 6-7. That will reduce the Local Qualifiers to 8 teams, one from each region and Milwaukee Bavarians SC who won the 2018 USASA National Championship.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The USSF has not actually announced this plan yet. They may give some rationale when they do. There is some reporting that the two main factors are a lack of available dates and the increase in the number of professional teams.

    There were only 42 pro division teams in the tournament last year. That number is now up to 52.
     
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  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 3rd Round is now complete:

    2019 USOC - Qualifying Tournament

    Home team first, times are ET

    3rd Round
    Central Region


    Saturday, January 12
    Motagua New Orleans (LA) 1-1 (pks 9-10) NTX Rayados (TX)

    Mountain Region

    Sunday, December 2
    FC Denver (CO) 4-1 Gam United Football Club (CO)

    Southern California Region

    Wednesday, January 16
    Cal FC (CA) 1-1 (pks 7-6) California United FC II (CA)

    West Region

    Saturday, January 5
    Oakland Stompers (CA) 0-1 Academica SC (CA)


    Fourth Qualifying Round: April 6-7, 2019
     
  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The USSF will announce the 4th Round pairings today at 11:00 am CT.
    Winners in the 4th Round will advance to the 2019 U.S. Open Cup.

    Here are the remaining teams:

    Northeast Region
    Safira FC (MA)
    West Chester Predators (PA)

    Mid-Atlantic Region
    World Class Premier Elite FC (MD)
    Virginia United (VA)

    Southeast Region
    America Soccer Club (FL)
    Florida Soccer Soldiers (FL)

    Central Region
    FC Maritsa (MO)
    NTX Rayados (TX)

    Mountain Region
    FC Denver (CO)
    Southwest FC (TX)

    Southern California Region
    Santa Ana Winds FC (CA)
    Cal FC (CA)

    West Region
    Academica SC (CA)
    IPS/Marathon Taverna (OR)

    The USSF has not said if they will automatically pair teams in the same region or not.
     
  24. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 USOC - Qualifying Tournament


    4th Round
    Exact Dates and Times TBA
    Home team first.

    April 6-7
    Northeast Region
    Safira FC (MA) v. West Chester Predators (PA)

    Mid-Atlantic Region
    Virginia United (VA) v. World Class Premier Elite FC (MD) v.

    Southeast Region
    Florida Soccer Soldiers (FL) v. America Soccer Club (FL)

    Central Region
    NTX Rayados (TX) v. FC Maritsa (MO)

    Mountain Region
    Southwest FC (TX) v. FC Denver (CO)

    Southern California Region
    Santa Ana Winds FC (CA) v. Cal FC (CA)

    West Region
    Academica SC (CA) v. IPS/Marathon Taverna (OR)

    Winners advance to the 2019 U.S. Open Cup.
     
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  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 2019 U.S. Open Cup format and schedule is out:

    https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/20...unt-us-open-cup-format-and-schedule-finalized

    Saturday/Sunday, April 6 & 7
    Fourth Qualifying Round

    Wednesday, April 10
    1st Round Pairings announced

    Wednesday, April 17
    2nd Round Pairings announced

    Tuesday/Wednesday, May 7 & 8
    1st Round - 32 Open Division teams and 6 USL-1 teaams

    Tuesday, Wednesday, May 14 & 15
    2nd Round - 19 winners and 25 USL-C teams

    Wednesday, May 29
    3rd Round - 22 winners face off

    Thursday, May 30
    4th Round Pairings - 11 winners and 21 MLS teams paired up

    Wednesday, June 12
    4th Round

    Thursday, June 13
    Round of 16 Pairings

    Wednesday, June 19 (games can be held June 18-23)
    Round of 16

    Wednesday, July 10
    Quarterfinals

    Thursday, July 11
    Semifinal and Final pairings

    Wednesday, August 7
    Semifinals

    Tuesday/Wednesday, August 27/28
    Final
     

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