2019 U-20 World Cup Roster Discussion

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ussoccer97531, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    May 6, 2018
    I think he’s competing with Amaya. But he’s pretty flexible has played AM, Winger, and CM for RSL. I bet Ramos makes room for both Mendez and Ledezma on the WC team
     
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  2. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    It is time to dispense with the idea that Dave had a hard job or did the best with the situation or is a coach at all. He proved incapable of coming up with a coherent game plan and getting the players to understand it and execute it. A basic requirement for a coach in any sport.

    Ramos, whatever lack of world class tactical ability, can come up with a game plan and get the players to execute it.

    Sarachan as the coach of anything hopefully ended with the Italy game. Maybe a junior college somewhere...
     
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  3. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Listening to Ramos on the Scuffed podcast...

    1. Carelton and Durkin weren't released because of the playoffs
    2. Both are in the mix for the U20 WC
    3. Ledezma and Konrad are also players that would have played if he could get them
    4. The college players had to be released in September and he had to guess who would be playing well.
    5. Adams, Sargent, and Weah are not players he expects to get. Ramos never even discussed Adams even in a "wish I could get" vein. Adams is not in this pool.

    I like that Ramos will answer any question he is able to. He doesn't think his audience is ignorant and is not afraid to discuss his tactics or player selection thinking.
     
  4. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
  5. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m going to predict that Amon and Carleton will not be released because they will be playing consistently for their clubs
     
  6. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    They must be released for that tournament. Amon's team is probably on a break anyway and USF will lean on Atlanta.
     
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  7. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I know that certain fans have made Sarachan the whipping boy. They need to blame someone, but I think it comes off as completely misunderstanding the problems we've seen in the NT in recent years.

    Your point about him coaching a junior college makes no sense, and helps illustrate my point how the Sarachan criticism is past what it should be. Sarachan was a head coach in MLS for five seasons. Do you think there are any current coaches in MLS who would leave their job to become the U-20 coach? I don't think so. How many former MLS coaches do you think are coaching junior college soccer? You aren't going to get top-level coaches to coach US youth teams. A former MLS coach or interim NT coach is probably going to be one of the best coaching options for a youth national team.
     
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  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    What club is he transferring to in the winter?
     
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  9. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Maybe it's more a reading of the tea leaves. If Carleton isn't released when he ain't playing, what does that say for when he is? (There is absolutely no chance he's not at least a role player on next year's team) In fact, maybe him not being released for qualifying was a signal that the U20s might as well get used to playing without him...
     
  10. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I was assuming Tata was leaving
     
  11. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could be wrong, but I believe that clubs are not obligated to release any players for a youth tournament, even a World Cup.
     
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  12. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct

    See McKennie and Taitague in 2017 with Schalke
     
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  13. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    That is cherry picking a lot. Dave was an MLS coach a long time ago, 11 years ago. He has not had a head coaching job again. MLS in 2007 was a different level of competition that MLS in 2018.

    While an MLS level coach might be over qualified for the U20 program, I don't think Sarachan has shown any ability to put together a gameplan and get the players to play it. It is not looking for a scapegoat. It is plain for all to see.

    It doesn't dismiss any failure by USSF to hire an actual coach or anything to simply point out that Dave has not demonstrated any of the two things that a coach needs to demonstrate at any level. From U11 to Barcelona, you have to have a coherent game plan and get the players to execute it.
     
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  14. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know our sticky list is getting fairly lengthy, but I want to go ahead and sticky this thread too.
     
  15. Gooch_Onyewu

    Gooch_Onyewu Member

    Jan 30, 2008
    VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GK:
    Scott
    Ochoa
    Muse

    D:
    Dest
    Lindsey
    McKenzie
    Richards
    Real
    Gloster

    M:
    Mendez
    Amon
    Pomykal
    Durkin
    Servania
    Carleton
    Torres

    F:
    Sargent
    Weah
    Llanez
    Soto
    Akinola

    If Sargent and Weah can't go then Ledezma and Rennicks
     
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  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    It's too many, in my opinion -- it's half the page on desktop. I volunteer my U20 thread (one is plenty) and my Spreadsheet of Spreadsheets thread to be unstuck if we need nominations. Also not sure why we need one for Dallas Cup. It's one non-FIFA tournament, albeit a big one, and it's not happening for like 5 months.
     
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  17. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I can see the headline now: "Sticky Situation Leaves DMN Unstuck!"
     
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  18. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I'd put the South Park "sticky situation" clip here but, you know, kids might be reading. (I'm actually 9, for example.)
     
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  19. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dave, I appreciate your input. I'll unstick the threads you mentioned. Thanks, friend!
     
  20. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    My threads will just have to compete in the Great Marketplace of Ideas that is BigSoccer. Here's hoping you all have good taste.
     
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  21. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    The forgotten man has reappeared:

    Check out @knappenschmiede’s Tweet:


    And scores!

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    Check out @USMNTvideos’s Tweet:
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  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    If he can stay on the field, he should be in contention.

    The question is whether he can stay on the field.
     
  23. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    #48 ussoccer97531, Dec 3, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2018
    Best possible roster. I doubt all these players will get released. Is this the best possible U-20 team we've had?

    GK: Scott, Garces, Muse
    DF: Lindsey, Dest, Gloster, Richards, McKenzie, Sands
    MF: Durkin, Adams, Servania, Mendez, Carleton, Pomykal, Amon, Ledezma, Taitague
    FW: Sargent, Soto, Weah

    Garces
    Dest-McKenzie-Ricards-Gloster
    Durkin-Adams
    Carleton
    Pomykal-Soto-Amon
     
  24. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    No strong opinion, but a good debate.

    Remember the last group went to the Finals without Gonzalez, McKennie, Parks, Perez, Pulisic to name a few.

    And 2015 went without Gooch, Novakovich, Roldan, Green, Gall, Baird ...

    And, for fun, I'll just mention that Subotic, Bedoya, Besler, Omar, Fab Johnson, Shea, Lichaj and FJ Torres weren't on a pretty solid 2007 squad.
     
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  25. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has Amon played with the U20s this cycle?
     

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