2019 MLS Week 5 Referee Discussion

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  1. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The assignments for Week 5 of the 2019 Major League Soccer season:

    03/29/19

    Toronto FC vs New York City FC
    BMO Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Christopher Penso
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Ismail Elfath
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    03/30/19

    Chicago Fire vs New York Red Bulls
    SeatGeek Stadium (1PM ET)
    REF: Alex Chilowicz
    AR1: Jeff Hosking
    AR2: Brian Dunn
    4TH: Farhad Dadkho
    VAR: Fotis Bazakos
    AVAR: Peter Balciunas

    New England Revolution vs Minnesota United
    Gillette Stadium (2PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Brian Poeschel
    AR2: Eric Boria
    4TH: Guido Gonzales Jr
    VAR: Alan Kelly
    AVAR: Thomas Supple

    Sporting Kansas City vs Montreal Impact
    Children’s Mercy Park (3PM ET)
    REF: Nima Saghafi
    AR1: Matthew Nelson
    AR2: Jeremy Kieso
    4TH: [ TBD ]
    VAR: Christina Unkel
    AVAR: Cory Richardson

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Los Angeles FC
    Avaya Stadium (3:30PM ET)
    REF: Dave Gantar
    AR1: Philippe Briere
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Alejandro Mariscal
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    FC Cincinnati vs Philadelphia Union
    Nippert Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Michael Kampmeinert
    4TH: Matt Franz
    VAR: Ricardo Salazar
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Columbus Crew vs Atlanta United
    MAPFRE Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: TJ Zablocki
    4TH: Malik Badawi
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Eric Weisbrod

    Colorado Rapids vs Houston Dynamo
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Marcos DeOliveira
    AR1: Jose Da Silva
    AR2: Eduardo Mariscal
    4TH: Tim Ford
    VAR: Luis Guardia
    AVAR: Jozef Batko

    Real Salt Lake vs FC Dallas
    Rio Tinto Stadium (9PM ET)
    REF: Baldomero Toledo
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Mark Allatin
    VAR: Geoff Gamble
    AVAR: Sean Hurd

    Vancouver Whitecaps vs Seattle Sounders
    BC Place (10PM ET)
    REF: Robert Sibiga
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Micheal Barwegen
    4TH: Ramy Touchan
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Rene Parra

    03/31/19

    Orlando City vs D.C. United
    Orlando City Stadium (6:30PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Jeffrey Greeson
    AR2: Andrew Bigelow
    4TH: Christopher Penso
    VAR: Chico Grajeda
    AVAR: Kevin Klinger

    LA Galaxy vs Portland Timbers
    Dignity Health Sports Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Mike Rottersman
    4TH: Alejandro Mariscal
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Cameron Blanchard
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Allatin is the TBD in Kansas City.

    New names coming for Week 6.
     
  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can he be the TBD and have a 4th at RSL a few hours later?
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's apparently been a switch. Rosendo Mendoza will be FO on that RSL match.
     
  5. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That explains it!
     
  6. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are we getting some trial spots this early in the season?
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, though not at the whistle spot immediately; you're technically already seeing trialists this week with Allatin and Dadkho. There will be new ones next week.

    My understanding is the new CBA allows for a lot more trial spots (though the best term is probably "non-BU members"). As many have been pointing out for a few years, with expansion and impending retirements, that's absolutely necessary.
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aside from the blowouts this weekend, there hasn't been too much to discuss. Couple of good video reviews (offside and penalty) in Toronto. Think there may have been one for offside in KC, too?
     
  9. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How close do you think the game in Columbus was to being halted? The commentators suggested the referee was considering it, but I wasn't paying close enough attention to figure out how they knew that. It was a mess for sure.
     
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  10. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't think of any other reason for all four of them to come together at that point. Considering the complete lack of stoppage time, I'd say the answer is "pretty close."
     
  11. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Likewise, the discussion did not appear to be happening with players or team officials.
     
  12. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was surprised they kept playing. The refere signaled for full time (I think?). I’m not sure what would have happened all of a sudden that could have changed his mind.
     
  13. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are some rumblings that the referee may not have been aware of the changed to competition rules that require all matches to reach full time. Perhaps he was trying to get to a certain minute in the match to make it official, discovered he was wrong, and decided to press on to the end?

    Which raises the question why would anyone out there not be aware of competition guidelines, particularly when the threat of inclement weather was obvious. Hell, they had a long lightning delay so it's not like there wasn't time to figure it all out.

    Regardless, I'm not sure exactly what happened. Just piecing things together from journalists.
     
  14. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biggest call yesterday was probably the penalty call in Vancouver that was overturned after video review. Seemed consistent with the standard that PRO has been using this season.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How did Sibiga restart the game? It looks like he's signalling for an IDFK, but obviously it should be a dropped ball near the touchline where the ball was when play stopped.
     
  16. Bradley Smith

    Bradley Smith Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    He put his hand to his ear and then restarted with a dropped ball after explaining to the players.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have not seen the discussion and I don’t raise this as an excuse, but...

    Is Dickerson-Uranga-Zablocki-Badawi the crew with the least on-field officiating experience in at least a decade? Your stats have them at 90 total games in their respective positions, with Uranga having over 50% of them. Tack on Dickerson’s fourths and it’s probably just over 100. Uranga is the only one who is close to a “veteran” and he came into the league three years ago.

    Again, not an excuse. More curiosity than anything.
     
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  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's a report with some specifics. If accurate its not a good look fro the officiating crew (according to the report, not only was he not aware of the changed rules, he had the old rules wrong, saying it takes 70 and not 75 minutes to be an official game).

    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/co...ersy-between-teams-and-officials-in-columbus/
     
  19. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Breaking news: Orlando has some dumb fans
     
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  20. oldmanreferee

    oldmanreferee Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Mountain View, ca
    oh what did they do NOW or should i say Not do
     
  21. oldmanreferee

    oldmanreferee Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Mountain View, ca
    I guess the VAR was maybe helping them with the decision wink wink. Jorge was VAR.
    I don't remember any games being final after a certain time. I remember going to DC united games in old RFK when lights went out and we have to restart at the minute it was stopped.
     
  22. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
  23. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    The ORL-DC game certainly provided a number of interesting plays. The foul that set up Rooney's goal was 100% a foul, it's just one that almost never gets called in MLS. My bet is that if it wasn't Rooney it wouldn't have gotten called in this game either. The contact between the GK and the DC player also appeared to happen after the ball had passed both of them so I think it was correct to let the goal stand. But it's also one of those things that frequently does get called a foul.
     
  24. QuietSide

    QuietSide Member

    Oct 18, 2002
  25. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if that Ruan/Rodriguez collision wasn't called because it looks like, in watching the highlight a couple of times, Rodriguez moves towards the ball a little bit and happens to get caught up by a full steam ahead Ruan. But in real time, that's a pretty gnarly collision, and I was definitely wondering while watching the game why VAR didn't send that down.
     

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