2019 MLS Week 29 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by rh89, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    Send that clip to the Premier League! MLS REFS ARE THE BEST!
     
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  2. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That it was missed in real time by the crew is pretty inexplicable. If Unkel was shielded, the AR still should have had that, unless they are so old-school they are rolling with the "no flags in the 18" mantra, or they are so new-school they said, "heck, if we missed it, let the VAR sort it out." But that was a bad miss either way. Yikes.
     
  3. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wondo's very first MLS red card and he wasn't even playing :\

    I'm pretty sure Wondo was yelling about the forearm to the back of Salinas, toward the end of the game, that didn't get called. Probably just frustrated by the inconsistent calls all day.
     
  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know what exactly what he was angry about in that particular moment, but I do know that what he said absolutely had to be a red card.
     
  5. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Less than 24 hours later, Robert Sibiga ties the record with 1 foul called against Minnesota. Bizarre.
     
  6. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    New orders?
     
  7. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    18 fouls and one card by Kelly last night. Seems a little lower than his usual. (23.5 fouls and 3.5 yellows per game)
     
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  8. refinDC

    refinDC Member

    Aug 7, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the referee's decision - given the angle of the players, anything from the lead AR on this wouldn't be more than a gut feeling/guess from 30 yards away
     
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  9. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, he kicked him in the chest. That's the kind of thing you just can't miss. If the ref was shielded, he should tell his AR that ("Hey, I couldn't see through"), or his AR should say something agreed upon in pregame like, "Holy Smokes! He just got kicked in the fricken chest!" Also, no way the AR is 30 yards away.
    My main point tho is: I wonder if the AR is disinclined to help out on something obvious like that because of VAR. So this call ends up making VAR look good, but in reality if there was no VAR the AR might have manned up and called it. I can think of a few times ARs have called PKs in MLS and in EPL on collisions about that distance away. Anyway, there is just no way that should have been missed is all I'm saying.
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    They shouldn't be. They are supposed to get the call right on the field. So missing something that they should have been able to help the ref with should be a negative in their game evaluation. (Of course, that doesn't take away the human element that it feels better to miss and be told you missed than to jump in and be told you shouldn't have.)
     
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  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What you said about the AR can also apply to the CR.

    I don't think this is consciously happening--at least not to a widespread extent. But I think we'd be naive in the extreme if we didn't think this is subconsciously happening to some officials when they have doubt in the more high-pressure situations (like a game-tying 90th minute PK).

    The only counter-argument is that, in MLS, PRO referees and VARs seem just as inclined to reverse penalty decisions as they are to interject with them. So you could easily see a referee or AR with the opposite attitude of what you describe--namely, "that sure looks like a penalty and VAR will save me if I've got this wrong, so penalty it is." But then we go back to the concept that we've talked a lot about in the past, which is that referees fear making errors of commission much more than errors of omission.
     
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  12. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like I was right... and Penso/Team screwed this one up (yes, that doesn't mean Wondo can act like that):

     
  13. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    Hang on, how did they screw up? Because a little scuffle wasn't punished like you wanted it to when you saw it through your homer lenses?
     
  14. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Certainly I'm a homer, but I'm guessing you haven't seen the game to see way the rest of it was called. It was a very out of the norm no-call for this game. Penso set the expectation very early.
     
  15. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    Call a referee a cheat you're getting tossed, doesn't matter what he missed.
     
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  16. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *watches incident in question for like the 10th time*

    Wow, it's still nothing.
     
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  17. stangspritzring

    stangspritzring Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    NorMD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are we supposed to be mad about, the shoulder/elbow push to the back? I think that's the most common 50/50 call/no call out there.
     
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  18. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hate the penalty reversal for San Jose tonight. Hate it with the fire of a thousand suns.


    Also, was there deliberate handling on SKC's goal tonight? Was it clearly and obviously wrong to allow the goal?
     
  19. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hate it so much I'm in the wrong thread
     
  20. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think a thread was made for week 30.
     
  21. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Suns are not on fire. :p
     

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