Interloping to start this thread to ask about the penalty call in LAFC-Atlanta last night, which made the difference in the 4-3 LA win. Incident here: https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...lub-vs-atlanta-united-fc/details/video/205346
I can see a kick from blue boots, I guess that's what justifies the call. He does tuck his legs back like he's drawing them away from fire.
It's the second time the defender clips his foot that he goes down. Maybe he goes down a bit easy (I'm not sure about his balance there--a pulled foot can sometimes cause significant balance issues)--certainly nothing that could be reversed by VAR.
07/26/19 New York City FC vs Sporting Kansas City Yankee Stadium (7:30PM ET) REF: Dave Gantar AR1: Philippe Briere AR2: Brian Dunn 4TH: Rubiel Vazquez VAR: Jon Freemon AVAR: Jozef Batko Los Angeles FC vs Atlanta United Banc of California Stadium (10PM ET) REF: Ismail Elfath AR1: Corey Parker AR2: Kyle Atkins 4TH: Sergii Demianchuk VAR: Tim Ford AVAR: Cameron Blanchard 07/27/19 New England Revolution vs Orlando City Gillette Stadium (7PM ET) REF: Alan Kelly AR1: Adam Wienckowski AR2: Matthew Nelson 4TH: Robert Sibiga VAR: Kevin Terry Jr AVAR: Thomas Supple New York Red Bulls vs Columbus Crew Red Bull Arena (7:30PM ET) REF: Fotis Bazakos AR1: Kathryn Nesbitt AR2: Adam Garner 4TH: Michael Radchuk VAR: Jon Freemon AVAR: Jozef Batko Chicago Fire vs D.C. United SeatGeek Stadium (8PM ET) REF: Kevin Stott AR1: Jeff Hosking AR2: Apolinar Mariscal 4TH: Silviu Petrescu VAR: Alejandro Mariscal AVAR: Kevin Klinger FC Dallas vs Real Salt Lake Toyota Stadium (8PM ET) REF: Ramy Touchan AR1: Frank Anderson AR2: Jeremy Hanson 4TH: Kevin Broadley VAR: Drew Fischer AVAR: Jeff Muschik Houston Dynamo vs Seattle Sounders BBVA Stadium (8PM ET) REF: Nima Saghafi AR1: Ian Anderson AR2: Gjovalin Bori 4TH: Matt Franz VAR: Jorge Gonzalez AVAR: Jonathan Johnson Minnesota United vs Vancouver Whitecaps Allianz Field (8PM ET) REF: Armando Villarreal AR1: Mike Rottersman AR2: Jose Da Silva 4TH: Lukasz Szpala VAR: Malik Badawi AVAR: Peter Balciunas Montreal Impact vs Philadelphia Union Saputo Stadium (8PM ET) REF: Jair Marrufo AR1: Corey Rockwell AR2: Cory Richardson 4TH: Luis Guardia VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero AVAR: Gianni Facchini Toronto FC vs FC Cincinnati BMO Field (8PM ET) REF: Marcos DeOliveira AR1: Eric Boria AR2: Jason White 4TH: David Barrie VAR: Chico Grajeda AVAR: Craig Lowry San Jose Earthquakes vs Colorado Rapids Avaya Stadium (10PM ET) REF: Baldomero Toledo AR1: Felisha Mariscal AR2: Micheal Barwegen 4TH: Joe Dickerson VAR: Ricardo Salazar AVAR: Michael Kampmeinert Portland Timbers vs LA Galaxy Providence Park (10:30PM ET) REF: Allen Chapman AR1: Nick Uranga AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho 4TH: Tim Ford VAR: Edvin Jurisevic AVAR: Chris Elliott
Ha, I was just about to copy and paste the list of assignments myself, but you beat me to it. Instead, I'll mention that RSL coach Mike Petke has been suspended by MLS ahead of tonight's match at Dallas due to his actions following the RSL-Tigres Leagues Cup match Wednesday night. It does not take much of a logical leap to guess that he's probably in serious trouble if they had to suspend him and no one's offering any further comments until after the incident is fully investigated.
It’s about time they stepped on Petke. With his printers and his tirades he’s been a thorn for awhile. Like to hear specifically what he said.
The Red Bulls were fouled in their defensive half at which time they were given a PK when VAR reviewed what happened before that. The fouled Danny Royer headed the ball, but he was pulled to make him change direction. IMO that's worthy of a PK.
As a Crew fan, I knew we were screwed as soon as I saw the replay. Good use of VAR. Saw a red card for Alvarez of LAG for striking the ball at a fallen opponent in Portland. The whistle hadn’t blown yet, but the foul was coming and the intent was pretty clear to me. Chapman got that one right IMHO.
I think he did, too. I think it would never be recommended for review if he hadn't given it, but I think he read the situation very well and did what was needed to manage the game.
Right. This is a situation where the call is 100% about judgement. There’s no facts to interpret or check in terms of contact or location. It’s about the intent of the player. And the referee standing there will always have a better read on that than the guy watching on a monitor.
I love how 2x (once per half) Chapman tries to have Dos Santos intervene and calm Zlatan down. I hope we've all tried that before, enlisting the captain/teammate. Just funny to see it at such a high level.
The red struck me as harsh at first, but the more I thought about it, the more I think it's 100% a great call by Chapman and the result of his high level of experience. It's 3-0 in the 84'. Alvarez is kicking the ball backwards with force. Why would he be kicking the ball backwards like that if not frustration or some level of intent to hit an opponent? And if the red isn't shown immediately, that mass confrontation spirals. It's game management, but it's also the right call on the individual action. I was once instructed to mentally prepare myself in high level games for the stupid red card in the last 10 minutes of the game. When you see a player make the ridiculously late tackle, push, whatever, to identify it and send the player. I was warned that if you don't, the game can completely get out of hand. I haven't had the chance to do those high level games, but Chapman has, knew exactly what to identify, and did exactly what needed to be done.
There is no debate. It's a clear red card and a dirty play and good for Chapman for giving it. It says something about the state of professional refereeing where we are praising what should be a standard and expected red card. The only reason the commentators on TV, some of the posters on here and maybe some of the players on the pitch think it's a harsh call is because we saw it at the World Cup in Russia where the same Argentine player did the exact se thing twice and somehow ended up with only a yellow in both games. We saw the same play in the Gold Cup Final where Pulisic got the ball smashed at him while on the ground and, incredibly, not even a yellow was shown.
I thought missing it live should be held against the CR. I was watching with a fan’s eyes, not a ref’s eyes, and i caught it. To me, that’s a bad, bad miss. Shouldn’t have needed VAR.
From what I understand, the assessments take that into account. A referee who misses what is deemed an "expected" call will lose more points than they can regain from correctly changing the call after review. Whereas the points lost for missing a "difficult" call will wash when the referee corrects the error after review. I'm sure it's more complicated than that overall, but you get the idea. And while they work as a team, I do know that individual members of the crew are assessed separately, and it is entirely possible for some to pass while others fail. It makes sense. As far as job performance goes, for example, a referee who calls a spotless match shouldn't fail because an AR blew a critical offside decision in second half added time (a purely hypothetical example—any resemblance to an actual game scenario is purely coincidental).
I agree it should 100% be a red card. I also agree that the situations at WC18 and with Pulisic in the Gold Cup weren't handled correctly (or, in the Gold Cup situation, not handled at all). I would only quibble with your "the only reason..." phrasing. Because I think a lot of well-meaning but less sophisticated referees would believe this can't be a red card because the whistle hadn't blown yet and he was just kicking the ball, which he's allowed to do during dynamic play. In other words, the fact that this wasn't clearly done at a dead-ball stoppage would be the technical reason why some would feel their hands are tired. That's why this is a perfect high-level situation that can be used as an example to show lower-level referees that their hands are not tied and they are obligated to punish this appropriately. Not only was it pretty clear that play was about to be stopped for the foul, but the player in question is blasting the ball toward his own goal for no reason except to hit his opponent. The technicality of the whistle cannot excuse the nature of the act.
Sad when he has to get another player to calm the "captain" down multiple times before finally pull the yellow. Especially when the other player doesn't do anything and the "captain" continues to shout in his face. It's almost as if certain levels of players have different expectations when it comes to discipline. Maybe the league will send Zlatan another official warning?
Wait....the whistle wasn't blown when he kicked the ball at him? So, technically, the ball was still in play. I watched the video on mute so I didn't hear the whistle. If so, even more impressive by Chapman. It also highlights just how poorly handled the incidents in the World Cup and Gold Cup were. The whistle was clearly blown in all three of those incidents and play was. The ball was kicked at most a two seconds after the whistle, but the whistle was blown in all three incidents and the officials and vAR just failed to act. Brings back to a similar play I've had in my games over the years. Every now and then on an amateur match or low level college game with no ball people or limited balls, a player will be chasing the ball out of bounds and he, either, blasts it into the parking lot/other fields as the ball is right on or just slightly over the touchline. Technically, the ball is still in play, but we all know what he was doing. The other players get frustrated and upset especially if it is late in the game as it's going to take a minute or two to get another ball. I've verbally asked my AR, immediately, after the play was over whether the ball was out of bounds prior to him kicking it over the fence. If he tells me it was still in play, I just verbally admonish the player as I can't technically caution him for delaying the restart. Messi did something similar in game years ago (9:30) in the video and I still don't know if the referee was right to caution him there according to the laws. What we can we do in situations like this?
Do we know this for sure? It wouldn't be the first time a sound track was slightly out of sync with the video to suggest something that wasn't so. "Don't worry gentlemen, we'll add on the time."
Yeah, I thought he had already whistled for the foul, but he hadn't. If you watch closely, the whistle is going to the mouth as the kick occurs. I would think/hope Messi got cautioned for game disrepute and the potential danger to spectators, as opposed to delaying the restart... particularly given the ball immediately rebounded back in play. If no one got hit with the ball, I would just say he's lucky he didn't see red for VC. To your point about this move as an actual delaying tactic at the amateur level, I agree with you. If the ball is out, it's an easy yellow. If it's not, I think it's really hard to say you're delaying the restart when there isn't going to be a restart until the ball is blasted into touch. I think the verbal admonishment is useful if done properly, but more important is how you communicate to the opposing team. Something along the lines of "guys, I can't book him because he is allowed to kick the ball as far as he wants, but I am going to add 30 seconds for that and I'll add a minute the next time it happens" should suffice.
The sound track is irrelevant. Watch the video. He is winding up to blast the ball before Chapman makes any movement with his arm to bring the whistle up. The ball is already rebounding off the prone player as the whistle comes to the mouth.
I had the kicking the ball really far away before it's actually out happen in a JV high school game years ago. In that case you can emphatically signal for a clock stoppage before giving the player an admonishment. Everyone is satisfied.