2019 MLS Super Draft Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jaykoz3, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10 of those 21 passes were picks that the teams had traded for.

    And @Yoshou thought cutting the draft by 2 (or 3) rounds wouldn't work well for the kids. ;)
     
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  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I also noted that teams need to stop thinking just about their MLS clubs, but also thinking about stocking their USL clubs. There were plenty of players available in the draft that teams could have taken and then signed to USL contracts.
     
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  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Generally true, but the drafting part of that isn't necessary. Atlanta signed Dylan Castanheira to their USL team on Friday. He got drafted by Dallas today.

    The weird part of that is that Atlanta passed before Castanheira got taken, so they could have secured his MLS rights, but elected not to.
     
  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which runs afoul of MLS anti-competitive/parity policies. Allowing MLS teams to bypass the draft and sign players directly to their USL teams is just going to create more situations like you described, which means teams competing for players, higher costs, etc, etc.
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Sure, but it is allowed, so using draft picks to fill a USL roster is an unnecessary step.
     
  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s one of my points.. that it shouldn’t be allowed.
     
  7. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It shouldn't be allowed to sign undrafted players?
     
  8. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmmm. I'd have to guess that perhaps Dallas thought they might be able to extract some allocation money out of Atlanta if they were to try to move Castanheira to their MLS roster.
     
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  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Most MLS fans probably don't know why the "super" is in SuperDraft, but in any case having it still called that is just embarrassing at this point...
     
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  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No... It shouldn't be allowed for teams to bypass the draft to sign players to their USL team. Let's take the example he provided of Atlanta signing a draft eligible player to their USL team prior to the draft starting. That shouldn't be allowed, at least with regards to keeping the draft viable in some manner.
     
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  11. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Seems to answer my question. Kinda like this level of salt.
     
  12. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    So dumb question - why didn't Atlanta just draft him in the 4th round rather than pass?
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They likely have other USL players they want to have rights to. Teams are only allowed a handful of claims to USL players.
     
  14. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Then why did the Red Bulls draft so many players that will almost certainly be signed to RBNY 2?
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just because a team can sign players to a USL contract doesn't mean that the team has that players MLS rights. USL and MLS are two different leagues.
     
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  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
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    Andy Mead/MLS

    It's been at least three years since we got all of the head coaches. Dom sat in for a sick Sigi last year, and Dave sat in for an absent Bruce the year before. I vaguely recall a second substitution, and Tata was late last year, missing the scarf photo, but showing up for the scarfless one.
     
  17. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I guess I should post that in the 2019 coaching thread.
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The only funny anecdote this year is that the Seattle social media guy next to me groaned when he saw who they put front and center.

    :D
     
  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But drafting a player locks them up for 2 years. So a team can draft a player, get their rights for 2 years, and sign them to a USL contract. If they don’t pan out, minimal loss. If they do pan out, it could be a big gain.
     
  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because they probably thought they had gamed the system and didn’t need to burn a pick on him..
     
  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/mls-roster-rules-and-regulations

    USL Priority Players
    In addition to Homegrown Players and College Protected Players – clubs may have priority for up to three players from their respective United Soccer League (USL) affiliates. In order to retain priority on any additional USL affiliate players, such players must be added to an MLS club's Discovery List.

    College Protected List
    Unless claimed on waivers, a player who was drafted by a particular team through the SuperDraft and did not sign with the League, is placed on that team's "College Protected List" until December 31st of the year after the draft, after which the team loses the priority to sign the player.
     
  22. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't find it now, but I saw an article last week that said that a lot of the players at the combine already had USL contracts in hand with escape clauses if they make an MLS team. Those deals could complicate the strategy of drafting a player to sign them to a USL deal. They could still sign those draftees to MLS contracts and loan to USL, I'm sure.
     
  23. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    So shouldn't Atlanta have drafted the guy they had already signed (rather than pass, which they did) at minimum to block someone else from snatching up his MLS rights?

    What would have been the downside there?
     
  24. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m guessing the downside is they would have to pay them more.
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want the joke version of the pic where Hudson has Petke in a headlock from behind
     

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