2019 FIFA U-17 World Cup General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Sebsasour, May 12, 2019.

  1. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now that we've qualified, I figured I'd start a thread for general news regarding the tournament in Brazil. Since it was moved from Peru it still doesn't have an official start date, but I imagine it'll be around October when the tournament was originally scheduled to take place.

    4 of the 6 confederations have wrapped up their qualification tournaments, and CONCACAF and UEFA have almost wrapped up theirs. The qualified teams are...

    AFC:

    Australia
    Japan
    South Korea
    Tajikistan (time to get revenge for 2007)

    CAF:

    Cameroon
    Nigeria
    Angola
    Guinea

    CONMEBOL:

    Brazil (Hosts)
    Argentina
    Chile
    Ecuador
    Paraguay

    Oceania:

    New Zealand
    Solomon Islands

    CONCACAF:

    USA
    Canada
    Winner of Haiti/Honduras
    Winner of Mexico/El Salvador

    UEFA:

    France
    Netherlands
    Winner of Hungary/Spain
    Winner of Italy/Portual
    Additionally UEFA will have a playoff between the top 2 quarterfinal losers, and the winner will get their last World Cup spot
     
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  2. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Solomon Islands were initially disqualified when they were believed to have used an overage player in the qualifying tournament. However they appealed and were able to produce a passport for the player in question that showed he was young enough.

    Usually you expect New Zealand to dominate OFC, The Solomon Islands actually beat The Kiwis by 5 goals in the group stage (though The Kiwis did win the rematch in the final in penalties)
     
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  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Apparently their main man is an '02 named Raphael Le'ai who recently moved to Wellington Phoenix from a domestic club.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/footb...raphael-leai-joins-wellington-phoenix-academy

     
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  4. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haiti beats Honduras in PK's after missing their first 2 in the shootout.

    Mexico rolls El Salvador 5-1

    They will round out your CONCACAF teams
     
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  5. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Nice to see Haiti qualify. One, it's nice to see another nation besides the usual suspects, like Honduras, qualify, and two, I have a fond place in my heart for Haiti, given all the travail they endure.
     
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  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    It seems like Honduras goes three in and out in every FIFA tournament they qualify for at all levels. If they can't get the job done, its better someone else from the region represents CONCACAF.
     
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  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They also are usually very dirty and no tournament needs those teams injuring the players we enjoy watching. I sure wish FIFA would emphasize this with CONCACAF refs.
     
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  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I always say they are the dirtiest team in the region. It's been a little better recently in these last two qualifying tournaments because the games were in the USA where they can't get away with their dirty antics as much.

    I still remember last cycle in the U-20 qualifying where they injured our two best players in the final. It made the victory even better when a Honduran born player scored the winning penalty.

    I think the main reason why Honduras is able to compete to qualify for these tournaments and is able to compete for 3-5 in the region with Costa Rica and Panama consistently is that they are the best at using their antics to their advantage. They don't have the same skill level as those teams usually, but they know how to make the game a street-fight instead of a game of football.
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Sometimes the participants that come out of UEFA are really odd, and makes me think we have a good chance. Not this time. It looks like they'll have at least 4 powers make it (and then the playoff winner).
     
  10. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italy and Spain qualify.

    Hungary and Belgium will play for the final World Cup spot
     
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  11. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hungary gets the final spot in penalties.

    Wikipedia already has the pots listed, though I'm extremely skeptical that they'd be out this soon.

    Pot 1

    Brazil
    Spain
    Mexico
    USA
    Argentina
    France

    Pot 2

    Guinea
    Italy
    New Zealand
    Canada
    Australia
    Chile

    Pot 3

    Netherlands
    Nigeria
    South Korea
    Paraguya
    Ecuador
    Japan

    Pot 4

    Hungary
    Haiti
    Tajikistan
    Solomon Islands
    Angola
    Cameroon
     
  12. sandlotgiant1

    sandlotgiant1 Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    United States
    Nov 3, 2017
    Canada in Pot 2? I doubt its real...
     
  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Inbox:

    Following on from a FIFA inspection visit to Brazil and further discussions with the Local Organising Committee (LOC), FIFA can today confirm that the FIFA U-17 World Cup Brazil 2019 will be played from 26 October until 17 November.

    The venues and the full match schedule will be confirmed ahead of the draw, which has been scheduled for 11 July 2019 at the Home of FIFA in Zurich.​
     
  14. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Reminder: The draw is tomorrow. From the inbox:

    The draw will take place at the Home of FIFA in Zurich on 11 July 2019 at 15:00 (CET) and will be live-streamed on FIFA’s YouTube channel.
    FIFA also announced venues today:

    The Estádio Bezerrão in Brasília (Gama) will make football history on 26 October when it hosts the opening match of the FIFA U-17 World Cup, the first-ever edition of this prestigious tournament to be staged in Brazil.

    ...

    The other tournament venues will be Goiânia’s Estádio Olímpico and Estádio da Serrinha, as well as the Estádio Kléber Andrade in Vitória (Cariacica)​
     
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  15. alslammerz

    alslammerz Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Staten Island, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since FIFA doesn't have the pots listed, I used wikipedia to get the old point values for the last five tournaments and multiplied via the formula. I added 5 points for each of the current confederation champions. Assuming that FIFA doesn't give 5 or percentage thereof bonus points for previous confederation champions, and that I didn't screw up somewhere, I believe the pots are:

    Pot 1: Brazil (host), Mexico, Nigeria, France, Japan, Spain
    Pot 2: Argentina, United States, Paraguay, New Zealand, Ecuador, South Korea
    Pot 3: Netherlands, Italy, Cameroon, Australia, Chile, Canada
    Pot 4: Tajikistan, Angola, Senegal, Haiti, Solomon Islands, Hungary

    According to my math, Spain is at 18.2 points and the US is at 12.6 so even if we had won the U-17 Concacaf 'ship, we still wouldn't have made it to pot 1.

    Best case scenario draw is probably: Japan, Netherlands/Italy/Cameroon/Chile (honestly Pot 3 is a bear), Solomon Islands.
     
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  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    It would be nice to get some revenge on Tajikistan. That one still stings.

    https://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/matches/round=249415/match=58926/index.html
     
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  17. alslammerz

    alslammerz Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Staten Island, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The downside to that would be that since they are an AFC team, you'd get:
    Brazil and Netherlands/Italy/Cameroon
    Nigeria and Netherlands/Italy/Chile
    France/Spain and Cameroon/Chile

    as the other teams in the group.
     
  18. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I see no downside. REVENGE!!!
     
  19. alslammerz

    alslammerz Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Staten Island, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Group A: Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, Angola
    Group B: Nigeria, Hungary, Ecuador, Australia
    Group C: South Korea, Haiti, France, Chile
    Group D: USA, Senegal, Japan, Netherlands
    Group E: Spain, Argentina, Tajikstan, Cameroon
    Group F: Solomon Islands, Italy, Paraguay, Mexico
     
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  20. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Revenge will have to wait.

    :(

    I guess that's a pretty tough group -- maybe the toughest of any CONCACAF team, at least on paper -- but, in any case, those are three good tests.
     
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  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Getting closer, though still probably too early for official rosters. With that said, we should start getting more stuff along those lines soon.

    Here's FIFA with a profile of Hungary's team, which apparently hasn't been in the tournament for more than 30 years.

    This will be the first time that Hungary is taking part in 34 years—the longest break between two appearances of any country.​

    One of the players named is a Genk striker named Andras Nemeth, born in South Africa.

    https://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/news/hungary-expectations-fifa-u17-world-cup-3049567

    A feature on Nemeth (note to aspiring writers: don't quote facts):

    "I had a made a great development at Genk, they say," the teenage striker told KickOff. "I scored around 20 goals in season 2017/18, I became the most prolific goal scorer on the Puskas-Suzuki U17 tournament in 2018 too, that our team won ahead of respectable teams as Sporting Lisbon, Real Madrid and Bayern München."​

    https://www.kickoff.com/news/articl...o-genk-and-u17-world-cup-qualification/655830
     
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  22. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Talk about presumptuous! These kids today...
     
  23. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Time to fire this thread up again! Post (other teams') rosters here if you see 'em...
     
  24. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
  25. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    The Guardian Next Gen list is out: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...0-of-the-best-young-talents-in-world-football

    15 of the 24 teams in the U17 WC have a player on the list. Some of the players are not attending despite being eligible (Ansu Fati, for example).

    The top are:
    France with 4 selected out of 5 eligible.
    Spain with 3 out of 4
    Brazil's 3 are all selected
    Argentina has 3 listed but no roster yet

    For our group:
    The USA has 2 (Reyna and Busio)
    Netherlands has 2 (neither is likely to be selected)
    Japan has one
    Senegal has one but no roster yet

    There are 2 USA eligible players on the list but other NTs: Malik Tillman and Efra Alvarez.
     
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