PBP: 2019 CONCACAF U-17 Championship: USA vs Guatemala 5/6 6 PM (ET)

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Sebsasour, May 5, 2019.

  1. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This will wrap up the group stage for The USA. This game is virtually meaningless for The US since we've already clinched 1st place, we just need to avoid cards and injuries.

    Can't say a whole lot about this Guatemala team. They qualified for the tournament automatically so we really only have a 2 game snapshot of them. In game 1 they outshot Barbados 20-5 and had 58% of the possession, but they could only score once and choked at the end for a 1-1 draw. THey're clearly a better team than Barbados, but failing to get 3 points against them is still pretty embarrassing. In game 2 they were just outplayed by Canada and lost 4-2.

    They're likely headed for 3rd place and going to advance regardless of the outcome, but they could technically be eliminated if Barbados gets a shock result against Canada or if The US really pours it on them.
     
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  2. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Be careful of the bees?



    90 ' min and add 15 minutes extra time by suspension by Bee invasion @LaSelecta_SLV 2-1 @FenafuthOrg Bradenton, Fla. @Concacaf #CU17
     
  3. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Lineup I'd like to see

    Las
    Cuevas-Gray-Alejandre-Armour
    Reyna-Saldana-Fuentes-Freeman
    Pepi-AOC
     
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  4. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Next time, please reformat your lineup, as required. For example:

    Las
    Cuevas-Gray-Alejandre-Armour
    Saldana-Fuentes-Freeman
    Reyna-Pepi-AOC

    Thank you.

    [The Management]
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Well, this game is totally meaningless. [If we assume Canada beats Barbados, then Guatemala is locked into 3rd anyway as well.] Rotate the squad to make sure everybody is as fresh as possible for the upcoming knockout games. Get the win to maintain positive momentum.....................

    Big surprise last night as Honduras lost to El Salvador. What is going on with the Catrachos? They also lost to Haiti. So they finished 3rd in their group. That does actually benefit them in the draw as they avoid a matchup with Mexico in the quarterfinal. Still, they're not playing like getting to the quarterfinal is a sure thing anyway.

    Half of the draw for the knockout rounds is now set. A couple of interesting games there JUST to get into the do-or-die quarterfinal.

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  6. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Wikipedia has head-to-head as the first tiebreaker, and wikipedia is never wrong!!!!
     
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  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Page 22 of the regulations says the tiebreakers in case of 2 teams tied on points are:

    1) Points between the 2 teams (meaning head-to-head) (skip the next 2 points because they pertain to more than 2 teams tied on points)
    2) Overall goal differential between the 2 teams
    3) Total goals
    4) Lots

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    It's awkwardly worded, so I can see how you assume the first point is about regular points and then goal differential.
     
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  9. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I think the collective wisdom of BS and Wikipedia is likely right. In which case from the current bracket looks to me like our path in the elimination rounds will begin with Guadeloupe, who I hope to crap we can beat, then the Group H runner up, which means Costa Rica or Panama, who will presumably be much tougher. Bottom line, we'll almost certainly have to beat one of those teams to qualify for the U17 WC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_CONCACAF_U-17_Championship
     
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  10. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea FC
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    If the US can't easily beat any of those teams at home, they don't deserve to go to the World Cup.
     
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  11. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is indisputably true. It is a little unfortunate though that in the winner take al QF we will likely face one of the confed's top 4 u17 teams in Costa Rica. If their u17 team is on the order of their senior team, that'll be a tough game. Lord knows Costa Rica has owned us recently, home and away.
     
  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Panama just drew with Curacao, so will finish 2nd if CR beats Suriname (likely). So that means we're likely to play the winner of Panama and Guatemala.

    I think I've got that right..........................
     
  13. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually even if CR draws v Suriname, they will win the group on GD (CR & Panama drew, so no head to head winner; CR has current GD of +3 versus Panama's +2). So unless CR loses to Suriname (vanishingly unlikely though nothing is impossible, esp at this level), the second-place team from Group H will be Panama.

    They'll play the third-place team from our group, which is going to be either Guatemala or Barbados. In theory either Guatemala or Barbados could leapfrog Canada but that seems very unlikely given results so far. Guatemala is more likely to finish 3d if they end up on even points with Barbados since Guate is -2 GD and Barbados is -5 at present. That's a lot of goals to make up in one game. And with Canada up 2-0 vs Barbados at the half, now Guatemala looks to need only not to lose by a boatload (presently, 5) to cruise through even w a loss.

    Bottom line, we will in all likelihood play one of Panama (likeliest) or Guatemala/Barbados (less likely) in the winner-take-all QF. So yeah, if we can't beat Guadeloupe and then one of those, we don't deserve to be at the u17 WC.

    Semis opponent would likely be CR or Canada FWIW.
     
  14. Runhard

    Runhard Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    Agree with you but really the US should walk through this entire tournament to a game with Mexico. I still have a hard time seeing how CR at the full mens level is even competitive with us but that they are.
     
  15. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Not much difference between us and Canada here. Nelson looks like the tournament MVP so far.
     
  16. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    This is funny. So we play Guatemala, then kind of a break, and then maybe Guatemala again.
     
  18. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ugh, we're going to see a bunkering Guatemala now...
     
  19. tazerowe

    tazerowe New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Any chance someone could post the embedded link to the Facebook feed? That allowed me to watch last week when I otherwise couldn't.
     
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  20. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Canada 4-0 Barbados now final ...
     
  21. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  22. tazerowe

    tazerowe New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Many thanks!
     
  23. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Is this just the link, or is it actually embedded in the thread right now? And if it's not embedded here, would anyone be able to do it?

    Just wondering as I'm outside the USA and can't be sure if it's an availability issue.
     
  24. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am seeing the video fine there, but the link is below.

    www.facebook.com/concacafcom/videos/850719581949644/

    Also, won't help you but game is also on Univision Deportes.
     
  25. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a real lack of anticipation and commitment early on this match. They're a step behind the play and losing most 50-50's.

    Far from the squad's strongest lineup, not that it has to be.
     

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