2019 CONCACAF Champions League Thread

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  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW, the two times they went out in the QF were against the host team.
     
  2. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Sigh... I hope they organize a CWC for this year.
     
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  3. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I still think none unless @Paul Calixte wants to correct me
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone mentioned José María Basanta?

    ...I think that's it.
     
  5. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Senior career*
    Years Team Apps (Gls)
    2003–2006 Estudiantes 11 (1)
    2006–2007 Olimpo 32 (1)
    2007–2008 Estudiantes 25 (1)
    2008–2014 Monterrey 208 (7)
    2014–2016 Fiorentina 24 (2)
    2015–2016 → Monterrey (loan) 34 (2)
    2016– Monterrey 83 (3)

    The only 4 ringer. Not bad at all.

    I don't think any Gopher was there for 07, 08, 10 and 17.
     
  6. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    So he won all 4 @It's called FOOTBALL
     
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  7. DCYC

    DCYC Member

    Chivas, DC United, Reno 1868
    Mar 24, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Ok guys this was fun as always. See you next year!
     
  8. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    ...when we'll have more proof MLS is absolutely catching up and threatening to overtake Liga MX, just like this year.
     
  9. DCYC

    DCYC Member

    Chivas, DC United, Reno 1868
    Mar 24, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    That gap getting smaller like...

    [​IMG]
     
  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beyond the fact that only some PKs go to sudden death, there's a difference between both teams attempting isolated shots in soccer or hockey and golden goal when it existed. A club can be leading a shootout after an equal or unequal amount of attempts without it being over. In extra time with a golden goal, a club can never lead without winning. Now that it isn't used in soccer, I don't know how many competitions in any sport in any country use golden goal. Without using the term "golden goal," that's what the NHL playoffs does in overtime. Some sports such as tennis and volleyball are defined as playing until a defined score is reached. Since both of them have rules requiring players or teams to win by 2, I don't think there's ever a time when both sides are simultaneously 1 point away from winning.
     
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  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Liga MX is the vache à lait in the continent, so they want to keep those revenues. With them competing in the Libertadores, a lot of eyes go that way and stop caring about the CONCACAF Champions --and let's be honest, the best soccer in CONCACAF is the MX liguilla, where each game is like a CCL semifinal.

    The South Americans want the Mexican market, even if many growl about allowing them in, but no one really cares about MLS down there. I think the only people mentioning having MLS clubs included in Libertadores are the US-based media.

    Maybe CONMEBOL would take them if they are a condition for MX to return. But I'd think at this point CONCACAF is going to do all within their power to stop it from happening. My prognostication: Mexico continues stuck with us, in this sort of huis clos where they have nothing to gain.
     
  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Good analysis.

    And it's why USSF and FMF and MLS and LigaMX continue to work more and more closely together. It's quickly become the U.S. and Mexico against the CFU with UNCAF and Canada on the sidelines, not particularly happy with the CFU, but also not wanting to lose the golden calf of Mexican and American TV money.
     
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  14. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Pretty sure Liga MX clubs would still be required to compete in CCL. Mexicans would still watch their clubs and I doubt South Americans were watching CCL anyways

    You're leaving out that it was Liga MX that pulled out of the competition.

    Also, it seems that to go back to Libertadores, Liga MX would need to change their format to accommodate that competition
    http://www.espn.com/soccer/mexican-...orse-off-for-2017-copa-libertadores-exclusion
    • Bonilla was asked whether Mexico could change the league format to one that complimented the Libertadores, but the Liga MX president said studies showed fans in Mexico like the two seasons per year schedule as it is
    Also, CONMEBOL denied the whole thing and reconfirmed the scheduling issue

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/en.onef...ntroduce-mls-and-liga-mx-teams-after-all/amp/
    • Liga MX clubs took part in the Libertadores until 2015 but decided against continuing due to clashes between the South American and Mexican league calendars.
    • “They withdrew and we never spoke again,” Domínguez continued. “The rumours constantly come from the Mexican press.”
    So it could be that CONCACAF already know it isn't happening (Talking to CONMEBOL and Liga MX) so he just reiterated that it won't happen, not so much as to block it at all costs.

    I would agree that both CCL & CL needs to be seriously revamp. The format and berths allocated makes it a joke
     
  15. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Colombians and Argentinians like it too... That's why we have 2 seasons per year.

    If the story is true it could be the dumbest scapegoat of all time.
     
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  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3267 Paul Calixte, May 8, 2019
    Last edited: May 9, 2019
    IIRC Bonilla was talking specifically about the playoffs - back in the day, Liga MX sides lost money by chasing the Libertadores at the expense of the liguilla when those commitments would overlap, although I don't know if that's still the case with the considerable increase in Libertadores prizes.
     
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  17. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Since the Lib Group Stage runs later into the year now, it conflicts with the MX playoffs. Which means all MX teams in that tourney would have this problem, as opposed to only the MX teams in KO stage, which was the case before.

    So that's why they withdrew. May be a legit reason from a certain POV
     
  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland

    Final loose end of the 2019 CCL. Monterrey will get to play the CWC this year.
     
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  19. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Tigres won't, once again :cautious:
     
  20. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Very happy that the CWC will continue to exist for at least the next 2 years. I wonder what happened to the China hosting rumor... Good test for Qatar to host a semi-major soccer event.
     
  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    China have their eyes on the expanded 2021 version. And they will most likely get it.

    (Alibaba are "presenting partners" of the CWC until 2022)
     
  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    If FIFA does business with China, will the USMNT be forced to withdraw?
     
  23. #3274 Y tu mama tambien, Jun 4, 2019
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 4, 2019
    I would worry too much about it.

    To withdraw you'd have to qualify first ... and didn't see the Nats at the last World Cup ... or an MLS teams at the last Club World Cup either.
     
  24. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
    North Bergen, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well it is true that nothing should be taken for granted, however there is also no need to be so pessimistic. It is possible that the US Nats could qualify.
     

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