2019 Coach Hot Seat Thread

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by WatzBruin, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    NKY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If NCAA wanted to, they could. It’s not hard to use the “lack of institutional control” reasoning they’ve used before. Especially with a situation like UCLA where it seems the coach was a bit of a ring-leader with some of the issues.
     
  2. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Hmmmm. The comments from the UCLA player seem to indicate this wasn’t a surprise to all.

    If this was a “surprise attack” and the named kids were the first wave of this type of scam then the NCAA may write a few rules etc. to warn all schools.

    If this had been going on for years I could see them taking a different path with some schools.
     
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  3. funinsun

    funinsun New Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    Well how could the AD of the individual sports not know? They know when a person is “fast tracked” through the athlete protocol. This is just the tip of the iceberg on all cases with the coaches.
     
  4. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    Based on the initial reports, Salcedo was hardly a ring leader, and if he was he vastly underpaid himself. He has his fingerprints on 2 students that went to UCLA and pocketed a cool $200,000 for his efforts. The Georgetown tennis coach was involved with 12 students to the tune of $2.6 million. Ali at USC was involved in getting students to UCLA, Yale, and USC and received $400,000. USC in fact had 4 staff members involved, including an Associate AD.
     
  5. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    NKY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, if he's involved with multiple students and multiple schools, I'd consider that "a bit of a ring-leader." Were there bigger players, yes. Not denying or negating anything like that. But, how I read it, Salcedo was involved deeper than just at UCLA.
    I read in one of the multiple reports that Salcedo was communicated with and helped organize with the USC coaches for their students. Which, I did read wrong -- it was the USC coaches who initiated everything.

    I'd venture to say that none of these coaches were oblivious to what was happening.
     
  6. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    Based on these reports, these coaches knew exactly what they were doing, and they got busted. I was just balking at the mischaracterization of Salcedo being the ring-leader.
     
  7. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    My thought is the AD was not aware of this type of scam and therefore might not even think to scrutinize the sports resume of a preferred walk on to prevent a scam. (Up until yesterday)

    So, the NCAA will possibly say “going forward, here are new rules” but I don’t think they will seek to prove institutional negligence.

    But I may be wrong...
     
  8. WesternWillie

    WesternWillie Member

    Nov 11, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jorge is toast so who gets the UCLA gig? And will they have to release their 2019/20 recruits from their commitments if the recruits so desire?
     
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  9. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    NKY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I never said he was "the ring-leader." I said "a bit of a ring-leader." I have no problems standing by that. If someone is associated with multiple schools, multiple programs, multiple athletes, I'll say they are more than just involved -- they'll part organizer of the situation.
     
  10. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    I wondered if Eddie Soto would move to UCLA.....
     
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  11. LetsbeFranks

    LetsbeFranks New Member

    Pioneers
    United States
    Dec 3, 2018
    Probably the wrong assistant!

    And somewhere in Portland, a big wry smile appears on the face of Nick Carlin Voigt.
     
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  12. funinsun

    funinsun New Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    Exactly. Look at the size of UCLA’s roster. It was tiny compared to other collegiate teams.
     
  13. WatzBruin

    WatzBruin Member

    Aug 23, 2011
    LA - SF Valley
    Club:
    FC Barcelona

    Kenny Arena is lurking in the “hood” as well!
     
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  14. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    I believe there are circumstances in which there are players outside of the formal roster that are “on the team”.

    The assumption I’ve made is they are were walk ons that provided training depth and protection against injuries depleting the roster. I thought the trade off was you get to be on the team, get some gear but likely won’t play.

    I suspect that varies...A big time school might not have the same policies as a small conference school.
     
  15. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Student health insurance might not cover participation in varsity athletics without a rider paid by the athletic department.
     
  16. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Probably true, my guess is they are on the team from that perspective but let’s talk about a track and XC team. They only run XC in the fall, you could be “on the track team” as a sprinter and doing off season work etc but not compete in anything until winter track. Even then, given the lack of meets etc if you are not in the top 3-4 people at your distance you may go all winter and spring and not run a competitive meet or only compete in a “b” race here or there.

    I can’t say if they are recognized from an insurance perspective, how many preference slots coaches get and how easy it would be put 1-2 people into that category who never compete.

    My experience is there are those kids on most teams, and soccer players too, and I suspect there isn’t a tight accounting for them at most schools.
     
  17. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    A college without a bureaucracy? You're joking, right?

    On the other end, once my son's eligibility ran out, he was "recruited" by intramural teams.
     
  18. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Touche’

    They have lots of it, which likely breeds a whole lot of ‘gaps’.

    This guy Singer was exploiting those gaps at some schools - my guess is the gap exists at far more schools but people weren’t exploiting it for profit.

    Somebody mentioned a limit on how many exemptions a coach could get...for a coach running men’s and womens track or swimming or a lacrosse team, they could easily use a slot or two and not materially impact their team performance.
     
  19. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Or they could be holding a slot open just in case for that magic last-minute recruit
     
  20. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    UCLA went completely downhill when he left.
     
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  21. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    I hope the investigators interview the UCLA player who said “I told you so”.

    Depending on what he told the athletics department it could expand the investigation.
     
  22. TCS35

    TCS35 Member

    Sep 17, 2015
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    UCLA has A LOT of explaining to do to A LOT of former players. I hope they make reparations .....for a false promises that were made. Realize this is just one player who spoke up. There are many others who did not. I have some questions for the AD as well. I am just curious how the AD did the accounting for the 8.5 scholarships that supposedly when to the team.....My other 2 kids the bill showed up...Volleyball scholarship $x, Basketball scholarship $x. UCLA under Jorge was what I call funny $. Why you have to call the coach multiple times asking for the scholarship money to be applied and be threatened with your child’s expulsion for non-payment when he has already play 3 preseason 90 min games is odd. Then he tells you there is no $ when 2 other recruits in the same class decommit and turn pro and there is still no $, we found very strange. It is funny looking back now that he received his 2 payments 6/2016 and 10/2016. Right when my kid graduated high school and attended as a freshman. Right when he bought his new home in Beverly Hills on his $300k salary. I find it suspicious. I find it hard to believe that a compliance officer would not notice or an AD would not know which players (or rich students) were getting the $.
     
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  23. Fish On

    Fish On Member

    Oct 22, 2016
    Club:
    AC Mantova
    USC as well. Both athletic dept are a laughing stock....
     
  24. SoccerFan111

    SoccerFan111 Member

    Jan 6, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  25. headerdunce

    headerdunce Member

    Dec 19, 2005
    Some early thoughts: George Kuntz, Eddie Soto, Jeremy Fishbein

    This is all very unsettling. It’s been a long time since I’ve had a connection, but to see this happen is truly sad. I’m also pissed off. He ran a great program into the ground.
     
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