2019 Breakout Youngster

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  1. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    FC Dallas
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  2. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    even with losing so much already at a young age? have to think if that progresses he'll be out of the sport soon, right? especially with teams going away from the old school 9 who just stands in the box and waits for the ball.
     
  3. a_new_fan

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    Jul 6, 2006
  4. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hope he gets playing time. NYCFC doesn't have a very good track record with Americans.
     
  5. kingshark

    kingshark Member

    Mar 3, 2006
    It's too early to talk about success. Schalke 04 lacks forwards options because of injury, so even Weston Mckennie had to play forward in recent matches. It's really not a surprise for them to promote Wright to first team.

    I don't think he is only an athlete without skills. Actually he is quite skillful, but his weakness is he is a little bit slow on decision making and not good at off ball movement ( Weah is much better on this aspect ).

    The biggest challenge for him now is that he seems lost his ability to blow past opponents. In the past he was willing to roam on the sideline and used his strength and skills to create chances with ball. Now he is no longer dominant on strength and he is not the elite dribbler so he has to be a better player off ball or make play in one or two touches.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #81 Clint Eastwood, Jan 20, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2019
    Young talent already getting big minutes.....………………
    [And in previous years we always talked about the talent we had in academies at big clubs. We have young talent in first teams of big clubs now. Sergio Dest of Ajax may be next. And another group with Mendez, Ledesma, Soto, etc. about to break in that weren't even part of that U17 World Cup team.]


    Current 18 for just the European based U23 team. Those guys eligible for the Olympic team. [Keep in mind that CCV is on loan from Spurs, EPB is on loan from Man City, Robinson is on loan from Everton, and Weah is on loan from PSG.]

    ---------------Sargent (Bremen)------------
    Amon (Nord.)---Pulisic (Dortmund)--Weah (Celtic)
    -----McKennie (Schalke)--Adams (Leipzig)----
    Robinson (Wigan)--CCV (Spurs)-EPB (NAC)-Dest (Ajax)
    -----------------Scott (Koln)------------------

    Bench:

    Klinsmann (Hertha)
    Richards (Bayern)
    Gloster (Hannover)
    Ledesma (PSV)
    Mendez (Freiburg)
    Taitague (Schalke)
    Wright (Schalke)

    There are a lot of other options that we have no room for. Sebastian Soto of Hannover? Manny Perez of Celtic for fullback? Taylor Booth of Bayern? Luca de la Torre of Fulham? Matt Olosunde of ManUnited? Gedion Zelalem is still at Arsenal? Chris Cappis? Emmanuel Sabbi? The list goes on and on. Others will have completely different 18s.

    Whenever folks are fed up and tired of thinking about the full national team, they should really focus their thoughts on these youngsters coming thru. There's a lot to be excited about. A few years ago the folke paying attention to youth soccer were saying that the waves of Pulisic-level talents were going to start coming out of the US domestic programs. Its happening. Waves and waves of top level prospects to keep an eye on.
     
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  7. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

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    I don't think his off-ball movement is bad. I think its looked worse than it is because he has struggled to adjust to the Bundesliga level. When you are constantly a step behind, making smart movements off the ball is a step too much to expect. He has played in the 5th division of Germany this season against cooks and cleaners. Its a big jump from that to the Bundesliga, so I think that has to be taken into account, and he needs to be given some time to adjust to the level of play. He has also shown improved play in recent games, so I think he's done a good job of adjusting to the level.

    I agree about the decision making. Thats always been the area he needs to improve on most, although from what I've seen so far this season, it might've improved. I haven't noticed that many bad decisions on the ball.

    He's a different type of striker than he was a couple of years ago. He's not much of a dribbler anymore. He's more of a target striker who combines, moves and finishes. He'll need to improve his aerial aggressiveness to play this role with more effectiveness, but he's gotten too tall and strong to play effectively as a winger or dribble past high-level players. It shouldn't even be an option.
     
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  8. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    with the huge drop off he's suffered in the past year I mean can we expect him even to be in the sport in another year or two?
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    FC Dallas
    Another top USYNT prospect on the way to the Bundesliga?
     
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  10. Eleven Bravo

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
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    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Better record in the Bundesliga.

    Honestly, I’d stick with Germany or Holland for our youngsters. They seem to be the only places that’ll play our kids.

    On another note, if I could be dictator-in-chief of US soccer; what I would like to see happen is the return of the USA residency program, except with a focus of preparing future yanks abroad. Part of the training would be going to different places, getting acclimated to the training, culture, and language. Hopefully, when they then turn 18, we’d have more prepared kids in Europe. This would address the “McKennie problem” for MLS clubs feeling like they don’t get compensated.
     
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  11. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    How exactly?
     
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  12. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
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    Jul 3, 2004
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    Atlanta Silverbacks
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    United States
    Let me preface, that clubs might not yet be calling it a “problem”. Although the problem has been mentioned about why should clubs develop players if they are just going to go abroad and the academy doesn’t get anything.

    ...That said, the goal I’d have in mind is every club wants to spend big on their academies because if they develop superstars in their academies then they can build a dynasty.
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That still doesn't answer my question. You positioned that your idea would solve this "problem." How exactly does it solve it?
     
  14. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
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    Atlanta Silverbacks
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    United States
    I answered it.
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, you didn't.

    Again, how exactly does this benefit MLS clubs, their academies, and MLS clubs feeling like they don't get compensated when a star pupil leaves before signing with them?

    These two things you mentioned above............they oppose one another............if a player is in the US residency program, then they aren't going to be part of an MLS Academy now are they............
     
  16. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

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    Atlanta Silverbacks
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    United States
    Read it again.
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #92 Clint Eastwood, Jan 24, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2019
    Nah. The answer is going to be MLS clubs continuing to build their development pathways. Continuing to build up their DAs, academy training facilities, youth coaching acumen, reserve teams, etc. Continuing to provide opportunities for youngsters in first teams, etc. There will be more Tyler Adams-style development stories in MLS. More kids will sign contracts with MLS clubs at younger ages, thus ensuring that MLS clubs get paid.

    Bradenton isn't returning. The USSF is putting all of their eggs in the Development Academy. Even the DA might change significantly as there are rumors that at the MLS clubs want to break off at the U19 level to form their own league. Kinda like the U20 Liga MX. Heck, I think its high time we have a CONCACAF U20 Club Championship (kinda like the UEFA Youth Champions League).

    As we know, MLS HQ and MLS clubs have also recently come out in favor of training compensation and solidarity payments. There's a lot of work to be done to actually enable it (the MLSPU is against it), but that will come at some point.

    I completely agree with you about Germany. Holland would be great, but they have roadblocks in place to protect domestic and non-EU talent. So kids moving there in big numbers without Euro passports is unlikely. There will be a trickle like Richie Ledesma recently.

    By the way, two more upper echelon USYNT prospects are reportedly on their way to Germany. Uly Llanez of the Galaxy academy to Wolfsburg, and Gio Reyna of the NYCFC academy to Dortmund. The pipleline keeps moving...................

    As far as Durkin goes, the somewhat unexpected play of Russell Canouse..........means Durkin is expendable. They can cash in now. They'll have a USMNT pool player in the #6 position as it is.
     
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  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
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    FC Dallas
    Known for a while, but not official until today:
     
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  19. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
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    United States
    I'd be a lot more excited if the idiots who currently run USSF were not there. Knowing them, Michael Bradley will still be playing alongside Landon Donovan when both players reach their 50s.
     
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  21. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Washington DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it was a big top on TSS earlier this week. That was the top surprise out of camp. I have to admit, I am surprised. I am hopefully for Mihailovic, but when I watched him play in DC, he was marked out of the game and was ineffective and subbed at half. That said, I absolutely loved his wonder goal on a match I saw on TV.
     
  22. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    What impresses me how much the coaching staff of Chicago seem to like him.

    1. he earned a starting place 2017 as an attacking mid...and not in a position that "hides" him somehow. (how many others of his age have done that?)...to the point where he started the first game in the playoffs. Unfortunately he suffered a bad knee injury in that game, which forced him to miss most of the last season.

    2. When the injury finally healed to the point where he was able to play, he was immediately inserted into the lineup...playing limited minutes initially. They easily could have given him fewer minutes with the excuse that they were protecting him without getting criticism but they seemed to be trying to get him up to speed asap because the team needed him. I don't know where he was on his road to recovery when they played DC but even if he was 100% (not sure if he made it to 100% during the season at al), being marked out of a game happens. It happens even more when the player is young.

    I think that Chicago sees Mihailovic as a key player for their future (could be a key as their midfield general or a key as a $windfall if he transfers). I would like to see him transfer at some point in the not so distant future but I guess that isn't up to me.
     
  23. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    It solves the issue for the USMNT where it’s a big concern that talented players could be left out of training if MLS teams play hard ball and don’t allow them to move to a better league at 18.

    It’s clearly in MLS’ interest to have leverage over its players but it’s not in the interest of the USMNT necessarily.

    This hopefully is moot now that MLS appears to acknowledge that it’s a developmental league rather than a designation but it bears watching.

    I’d also note that I strongly believe that MLS teams make a very good return off of their DA program as they are usually tied to pay-to-play clubs and have lots of pay-to-play camps/teams etc. in addition to their “free” DA. It’s actually quite impressive as a money making opportunity.

    I still think that MLS should move to the international standard with respect to training comp, etc.
     
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  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's the thing though............MLS teams CANNOT play hardball on players that aren't under contract..........

    Did FC Dallas prevent McKennie from going to Germany? Did RBNY prevent Weah from going to Paris? Did RSL prevent their talented academy kids from signing with teams in Europe recently? Nope.

    At the end of the day, the USNT's can only carry what 25-30 players max? Out of that they need 18 players on game days. Let's stop acting like there's a shortage of players out there. Let's stop trying a create a problem where one doesn't currently exist.

    Moving forward it will be interesting to see how MLS academies evolve. Obviously the teams that are committed seriously to them (RBNY, SKC, RSL, Philly, FCD) will reap the benefits. Something to follow will be how teams like FCC, Chicago, Orlando, Columbus, Austin, Houston, Miami, Nashville, Minnesota, Portland New England & Colorado approach their investment and commitment to their academies.

    I'm assuming that the LA teams, San Jose, NYCFC, Seattle, & Atlanta will get things worked out with the leadership they currently have. Almeyda in San Jose should pay dividends on the youth front. The LA Teams and NYCFC are in talent rich areas that even a minimum amount of effort will bare fruit. Atlanta has a Blank check, and smart soccer people running their operations (ditto the LA teams and NYCFC).
     

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