2019-2020 Champions League [R]

Discussion in 'Champions League' started by EvanJ, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the second consecutive season, Ludogorets Razgrad of Bulgaria was eliminated by a Hungarian club with a much worse coefficient. Ferencvaros won 2-1 at home, and today they won 3-2 at Ludogorets Razgrad to win the aggregate 5-3. Ludogorets Razgrad got a straight red card in the 82nd minute, with no goals for either club after that. CFR Cluj of Romania won 3-1 hosting Astana of Kazakhstan to win the aggregate 3-2. Astana would have been seeded in Qualifying Round 3 if they reached it, and Ludogorets Razgrad was next in line. Now APOEL Nicosia of Cyprus will be seeded in Qualifying Round 3 if they reach it.

    Here are the Qualifying Round 2 fixtures with the first leg home club first:

    Champions:
    CFR Cluj vs. Romania vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv of Israel
    BATE Borisov of Belarus vs. Rosenborg of Norway
    The New Saints of Wales vs. Copenhagen of Denmark
    Ferencvaros of Hungary vs. Valletta of Malta
    Dundalk of Ireland vs. Qarabag of Azerbaijan
    Saburtalo Tbilisi of Georgia vs. Dinamo Zagreb of Croatia
    Celtic of Scotland vs. Nomme Kalju of Estonia
    Crvena Zvezda (Red Star Belgrade) of Serbia vs. HJK Helsinki of Finland
    Sutjeska Niksic of Montenegro vs. APOEL Nicosia of Cyprus
    Maribor of Slovenia vs. AIK of Sweden

    Non-Champions:
    Viktoria Plzen of Czech Republic vs. Olympiakos Piraeus of Greece
    PSV Eindhoven of Netherlands vs. Basel of Switzerland
     
  2. Fernando Pires

    Fernando Pires New Member

    Bayern München
    Brazil
    Jul 17, 2019
    What are the teams already qualified for the Champions League 19-20?
     
  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 26 clubs who start in the Group Stage in alphabetical order are:

    Atalanta
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Bayer Leverkusen
    Bayern Munich
    Benfica
    Borussia Dortmund
    Chelsea
    Galatasaray
    Genk
    Inter Milan
    Juventus
    Lille
    Liverpool
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    Lyon
    Manchester City
    Napoli
    Paris Saint-Germain
    Real Madrid
    Red Bull Leipzig
    Red Bull Salzburg
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Tottenham
    Valencia
    Zenit Saint Petersburg

    The four champions from qualifying rounds have many possibilities. The two non-champions will be from the ten clubs Krasnodar, Porto, Dynamo Kyiv, Club Brugge, Istanbul Basaksehir, LASK Linz, Basel, Viktoria Plzen, PSV Eindhoven, and Olympiacos.
     
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  4. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    The League path is by no means easy for anyone and seems more wide open than usual. Except for weaker (or perhaps just less famous) than normal teams from Turkey and Austria the rest are sort of the usual suspects.
     
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  5. Fernando Pires

    Fernando Pires New Member

    Bayern München
    Brazil
    Jul 17, 2019
    Definitely, but lets hope we have some sort of difference from other UCL’s. Just like we had Ajax this year who were able to get to the semis
     
  6. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the Qualifying Round 2 scores with the first leg home club first and the winners in bold:

    Champions:
    CFR Cluj of Romania vs. Maccabi Tel Aviv of Israel (1-0, 2-2, makes 3-2)
    BATE Borisov of Belarus vs. Rosenborg of Norway (2-1, 0-2, makes 2-3)
    The New Saints of Wales vs. Copenhagen of Denmark (0-2, 0-1, makes 0-3)
    Ferencvaros of Hungary vs. Valletta of Malta (3-1, 1-1, makes 4-2)
    Dundalk of Ireland vs. Qarabag of Azerbaijan (1-1, 0-3, makes 1-4)
    Saburtalo Tbilisi of Georgia vs. Dinamo Zagreb of Croatia (0-2, 0-3, makes 0-5)
    Celtic of Scotland vs. Nomme Kalju of Estonia (5-0, 2-0, makes 7-0)
    Crvena Zvezda (Red Star Belgrade) of Serbia vs. HJK Helsinki of Finland (2-0, 1-2, makes 3-2)
    Sutjeska Niksic of Montenegro vs. APOEL Nicosia of Cyprus (0-1, 0-3, makes 0-4)
    Maribor of Slovenia vs. AIK of Sweden (2-1, 1-2 after regulation and 2-3 after extra time, makes 4-4, decided by away goals 2-1)

    Non-Champions:
    Viktoria Plzen of Czech Republic vs. Olympiakos Piraeus of Greece (0-0, 0-4, makes 0-4)
    PSV Eindhoven of Netherlands vs. Basel of Switzerland (3-2, 1-2, makes 4-4, decided by away goals 2-1

    Both times away goals were used, one club won 3-2 at home and the other club won 2-1 at home. The difference was that Maribor and AIK both led 1-0 after regulation and Maribor advanced after each club scored 1 in extra time. Maribor won their Qualifying Round 1 aggregate 5-0. They didn't win the Slovenian league to reach the 2018-2019 Champions League qualifying rounds. In the 2018-2019 Europa League, they started in Qualifying Round 1 and advanced twice before losing to Rangers in Qualifying Round 3. In 2017-2018 they won their Playoff Round on away goals after a 2-1 loss and 1-0 win to reach the Group Stage, where they got 3 draws and 3 losses. Two of their last three Champions League qualifying aggregates had them advance on away goals.

    Here are the Qualifying Round 3 fixtures with the first leg home club listed first and the seeded club in bold. Clubs with worse coefficients can be seeded if they beat seeded clubs in Qualifying Round 2. The only one of the ten matchups in which this happened was unseeded Maribor with a higher coefficient than seeded Rosenborg, who beat BATE Borisov in Qualifying Round 2. BATE Borisov has a higher coefficient than Maribor and Rosenborg. The draw for Qualifying Round 3 was done before Qualifying Round 2 using the coefficient of the better club in each matchup to determine who was seeded in Qualifying Round 3.

    Champions:
    CFR Cluj of Romania vs. Celtic of Scotland (7 and 13 August)
    APOEL Nicosia of Cyprus vs. Qarabag of Azerbaijan (6 and 13 August)
    PAOK of Greece vs. Ajax of Netherlands (6 and 13 August)
    Dinamo Zagreb of Croatia vs. Ferencvaros of Hungary (6 and 13 August)
    Crvena Zvezda (Red Star Belgrade) of Serbia vs. Copenhagen of Denmark (6 and 13 August)
    Maribor of Slovenia vs. Rosenborg of Norway (7 and 13 August)

    Non-Champions (League):
    Istanbul Basaksehir of Turkey vs. Olympiacos Piraeus of Greece (7 and 13 August)
    Krasnodar of Russia vs. Porto of Portugal (7 and 13 August)
    Club Brugge of Belgium vs. Dynamo Kyiv of Ukraine (6 and 13 August)
    Basel of Switzerland vs. LASK Linz of Austria (7 and 13 August)

    I don't know why all the second legs are Tuesday 13 August rather than some Tuesday and some Wednesday.
     
  7. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I doubt they have enough quality to make it out of the group stages, but if I were to pick a complete surprise team it would probably be Dinamo Zagreb. This assumes they hold on to Olmo, but they have a well-rounded squad and played well in Europa League last season.
     
  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Celtic, Copenhagen, Porto, Dynamo Kyiv, and Basel were eliminated by unseeded clubs.
     
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  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Two of them - Porto and Kyiv - were potentially pot 2 teams for the group stage draw.

    Benfica take over Porto's place in pot 2, and the last pot 2 team will be either Ajax or Lyon (I think)
     
  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedcl2019.html says Porto was the only one of those who would have been in Pot 2 if the best clubs reached the Group Stage. Ajax was already in line to be the bottom club in Pot 2, and that now goes to Lyon. If Ajax is eliminated by APOEL Nicosia, Bayer Leverkusen will be in Pot 2.
     
  11. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    My predictions for the play-offs (with my certainty)

    Dinamo Zagreb (90%) vs Rosenborg
    Slavia Praha (70%) vs CFR Cluj
    Young Boys (55%) vs Red Star Belgrad
    Ajax (90%) vs APOEL
    Club Brugge (55%) vs LASK Linz
    Okympiacos (50.1%) vs Krasnodar

    3 match-ups have a fairly clear favorite (not that it meant much last round), while 3 are more even.
     
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  12. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    [​IMG]

    Potential for some murderous groups.
     
  13. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  14. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia

    Could Zenit and Shakhtar be in the same group or are they still separating Ukraine and Russian teams?

    I think Red Star and Genk are both a fair bit weaker than Slavia from pot 4, and I think Brugge is just slightly stronger than Dinamo (even though I picked them as a surprise team) in pot 3.

    Otherwise, I agree.
     
  15. Ciro Di Marzio

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Jun 28, 2019
    Scampia
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Ukranian teams can't draw Russian teams in the group still
     
  16. Ciro Di Marzio

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Jun 28, 2019
    Scampia
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I think:

    Toughest Group possible:
    Man City, Real Madrid, Inter, RB Liepzig

    Easiest Group possible:
    Zenit, Benfica, Club Brugge, Slavia Prague
     
  17. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    In my opinion easiest is Zenit, Benfica, Dinamo, and Red Star.
     
  18. Ciro Di Marzio

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Jun 28, 2019
    Scampia
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The most even group possible:

    Chelsea, Ajax, Valencia, RB Liepzig
     
  19. Jay510

    Jay510 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Madison, Wi
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  20. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    #20 NaBUru38, Sep 17, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2019
    There's 16 countries represented:
    • Spain, England, Italy and Germany have 4 teams.
    • France has 3 teams.
    • Russia and Belgium have 2 teams.
    • Austria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Netherlands, Portugal, Serbia, Turkey and Ukraine have 1 team.
    Notable countries with no teams are Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Poland, Bulgaria, Cyprus and Israel.
     
  21. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  22. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Feel pretty good about this prediction after round one. Class team in the attack, not sure they have the defense if they get pushed back though.

    Sort of a reverse Slavia Praha among potential surprise teams, who defend and press well but don't have much attacking creativity.
     
  23. Nick79

    Nick79 Member

    May 4, 2015
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    Olympiacos actually looked like the better team most of the game. But then again, I'm pro-Greek, anti-Brit, LOL :)
     
  24. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Probably it looked better against Tottenham. Domestic atmosphere. Tottenham plays often boring with less chances...:sleep:
     
  25. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Norway notable? They haven't had a club reach the Group Stage since Rosenborg in 2007-2008.
     

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