News: 2019-20 UEFA Champions League draw: The Road to İkitelli/Istanbul [R]

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  1. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
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    The second legs of the the Playoff round are still to be played but we do know 26 of the 32 clubs that will be involved in Thursday's Group Stage draw.
    Most of those 26 clubs are confirmed as to which pot they will be drawn from while the others are in limbo.

    Here's how the pots look going into Playoff round second leg matches.

    Clubs in red are involved in the Playoff round.

    POT 1
    Liverpool
    Chelsea
    FC Barcelona
    Manchester City
    Juventus
    Bayern Munich
    Paris SG
    Zenit

    POT 2
    Real Madrid
    Atlético Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund
    Napoli
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Ajax
    Benfica

    POT 2 or 3
    Olympique Lyon

    POT 3
    Bayer Leverkusen
    FC Salzburg
    Olympiakos
    Club Brugge

    Valencia
    FK Krasnodar
    Internazionale
    Dinamo Zagreb

    POT 3 or 4
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    Young Boys Bern
    APOEL Nicosia

    Genk

    POT 4
    Galatasaray
    RB Leipzig
    Slavia Praha
    Red Star Belgrade

    Atalanta
    Lille
    Rosenborg
    LASK
    CFR Cluj
     
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  2. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Before the draw takes place, and before the transfer window closes (well EPL already closed to transfers in), these are the current 16 most favored (shortest odds) to win the Champion's League:

    City 3.75
    Barca 5.5
    Liverpool 7
    Real 9
    PSG 10
    Juve 10
    Bayern 14
    Atleti 20
    Spurs 25
    BVB 33
    Chelsea 33
    Napoli 50
    Inter 66
    Ajax 75
    Valencia 100
    RB Leipzig 100

    Lyon, Atalanta, Bayer, Benfica follow 150-200
    then Lille, Shaktar, Salzburg, Zenit, Galatasaray 250-400

    As always these come from the best/shortest odds available on this betting site aggregator, Oddschecker: https://www.oddschecker.com/football/champions-league/winner
     
  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Pots for the Group Stage draw following Tuesday’s results.

    Clubs in red are involved in Wednesday’s matches.

    POT 1
    Liverpool
    Chelsea
    FC Barcelona
    Manchester City
    Juventus
    Bayern Munich
    Paris SG
    Zenit

    POT 2
    Real Madrid
    Atlético Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund
    Napoli
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Ajax
    Benfica

    POT 2 or 3
    Olympique Lyon

    POT 3
    Bayer Leverkusen
    FC Salzburg
    Olympiakos
    Club Brugge
    Valencia
    Internazionale
    Dinamo Zagreb

    POT 3 or 4
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    APOEL Nicosia

    POT 4
    Genk
    Galatasaray
    RB Leipzig
    Slavia Praha
    Red Star Belgrade
    Atalanta
    Lille
    LASK
    CFR Cluj
     
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  4. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The pots for tomorrow’s Group Stage draw are all set.

    POT 1
    Liverpool
    Chelsea
    FC Barcelona
    Manchester City
    Juventus
    Bayern Munich
    Paris SG
    Zenit

    POT 2
    Real Madrid
    Atlético Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund
    Napoli
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Ajax
    Benfica

    POT 3
    Olympique Lyon
    Bayer Leverkusen
    FC Salzburg
    Olympiakos
    Club Brugge
    Valencia
    Internazionale
    Dinamo Zagreb

    POT 4
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    Genk
    Galatasaray
    RB Leipzig
    Slavia Prague
    Red Star Belgrade
    Atalanta
    Lille
     
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  5. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    Am I the only one who finds these draws almost as exciting as the matches?
     
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  6. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, you're not alone. And I even post before and after odds to show how a bad (or good) draw can change a team's outlook. The odds I post are about winning it all, but if I looked at odds to advance to the elimination round of 16 the swings would be even greater.

    On one hand a Pot 1 team which draws Real Madrid, Atletico, or Tottenham in Pot 2, and/or Inter or Lyon in Pot 3 shoud see worse odds. On the other hand, the Pot 3 or even 4 team who avoids those mentioned in the prior sentence, and gets Zenit or Chelsea as their Pot 1 team should also see better odds.

    Group of death could be any Pot 1 team, in some ways the weaker ones make it more of a Group of Death, then either Madrid team, or BVB or Spurs or Valencia, then Inter or Lyon, finally Red Bull?

    As for Barca, we avoid all of our fellow Pot 1 teams Bayern Munich, Juventus, Manchester City, PSG, Liverpool, Chelsea and Zenit. In Pot 2 we will avoid Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid, leaving Borussia Dortmund, Náples, Shakhtar Donetsk, Tottenham, Benfica and Ajax as potential opponents. In Pot 3 Barcelona avoid Valencia, and can draw Lyon, Bayer Leverkusen, Red Bull Salzburg, Olympiacos, Club Brujas, Inter Milan, Dinamo Zagreb. In Pot 4 they could get any of Lokomotiv Moscow, Red Star Belgrade, Genk, Galatasaray, Red Bull Leipzig, Slavia Praga, Atalanta, Lille. In short we should advance, not too many tricky Pot 4 teams this year, and even the Pot 3 teams we could face don't strike much fear.
     
  7. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The draw is cool ... but I find the whole thing a needless over production.
     
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  8. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Any draw should be manageable. Probably better to avoid BVB, Tottenham, Inter (just hate traveling to Italy) ... then again, stronger teams should show what this team is about early on.
     
  9. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The group stage draw is okay but I like it more during the knockout stages. Love the anticipation. A big reason why I prefer it when the semi-final draw is made AFTER the quarterfinals have been completed rather than conducting both the quarterfinal and semi-final draws on the same day.
     
  10. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Would have loved to seen as Barca version of this.

     

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  11. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    POT 1

    GROUP A
    Paris SG

    GROUP B
    Bayern Munich

    GROUP C
    Manchester City

    GROUP D
    Juventus

    GROUP E
    Liverpool

    GROUP F
    FC Barcelona

    GROUP G
    Zenit

    GROUP H
    Chelsea
     
  12. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Presenting awards in the middle of the draw.

    SMH
     
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  13. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #13 unclesox, Aug 29, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2019
    POT 2
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Ajax
    Borussia Dortmund
    Benfica
    Real Madrid
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Napoli
    Atlético Madrid

    GROUP A
    Paris SG
    Real Madrid

    GROUP B
    Bayern Munich
    Tottenham Hotspur

    GROUP C
    Manchester City
    Shakhtar Donetsk

    GROUP D
    Juventus
    Atlético Madrid

    GROUP E
    Liverpool
    Napoli

    GROUP F
    FC Barcelona
    Borussia Dortmund

    GROUP G
    Zenit
    Benfica

    GROUP H
    Chelsea
    Ajax
     
  14. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #14 unclesox, Aug 29, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2019
    POT 3
    Internazionale
    Bayer Leverkusen
    Valencia
    FC Salzburg
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Olympiakos
    Club Brugge
    Olympique Lyon


    GROUP A
    Paris SG
    Real Madrid
    Club Brugge

    GROUP B
    Bayern Munich
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Olympiakos

    GROUP C
    Manchester City
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Dinamo Zagreb

    GROUP D
    Juventus
    Atlético Madrid
    Bayer Leverkusen

    GROUP E
    Liverpool
    Napoli
    FC Salzburg

    GROUP F
    FC Barcelona
    Borussia Dortmund
    Internazionale

    GROUP G
    Zenit
    Benfica
    Olympique Lyon

    GROUP H
    Chelsea
    Ajax
    Valencia
     
  15. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #15 unclesox, Aug 29, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2019
    POT 4
    Atalanta
    RB Leipzig
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    Slavia Prague
    Lille
    Genk
    Red Star Belgrade
    Galatasaray


    GROUP A
    Paris SG
    Real Madrid
    Club Brugge
    Galatasaray

    GROUP B
    Bayern Munich
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Olympiakos
    Red Star Belgrade

    GROUP C
    Manchester City
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Atalanta

    GROUP D
    Juventus
    Atlético Madrid
    Bayer Leverkusen
    Lokomotiv Moscow

    GROUP E
    Liverpool
    Napoli
    FC Salzburg
    Genk

    GROUP F
    FC Barcelona
    Borussia Dortmund
    Internazionale
    Slavia Prague

    GROUP G
    Zenit
    Benfica
    Olympique Lyon
    RB Leipzig

    GROUP H
    Chelsea
    Ajax
    Valencia
    Lille
     
  16. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Tough group
     
  17. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I am never going to hear the end of this ....
     
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  18. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    Barca won't even make it out of the group [emoji23] and City please, how much did they pay?
     
  19. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I read somewhere that Barca have the longest run of finishing first in their group. Last time was in 2006-07 when they finished second behind Chelsea.
    That streak is in serious jeopardy.
     
  20. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Cristiano, modest as never.
     
  21. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Looks like he missed it. :p
     
  22. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
     
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  23. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A tradition unlike any other, the before and after draw odds update! Here's what I posted a couple days ago (in italics), followed by the post draw change (in bold), if any (if odds the same I did not update):

    Before the draw takes place, and before the transfer window closes (well EPL already closed to transfers in), these are the current 16 most favored (shortest odds) to win the Champion's League:

    City 3.75
    now 3.5
    Barca 5.5 5.75
    Liverpool 7
    Real 9
    PSG 10
    Juve 10
    12
    Bayern 14 12
    Atleti 20 25
    Spurs 25 28
    BVB 33 40
    Chelsea 33
    Napoli 50
    60
    Inter 66
    Ajax 75
    80
    Valencia 100
    RB Leipzig 100


    Lyon, Atalanta, Bayer, Benfica follow 150-200 now 125, 250, 250 & 200
    then Lille, Shaktar, Salzburg, Zenit, Galatasaray 250-400 now 300, 500, 500, 250 & 600

    As always these come from the best/shortest odds available on this betting site aggregator, Oddschecker: https://www.oddschecker.com/football/champions-league/winner
     
  24. evil_allan

    evil_allan Member+

    May 3, 2004
    Turtle Island
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Shakespeare quote from King Lear. Not sure why ... but Cantona is an oddball after all.
     

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