2018 U.S. Open Cup

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by newtex, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    USSF has made the choice. It is not in MLS's power to change it to something else.

    Lower division teams only have the USOC as an option to reach the CCL, since there is no promotion and relegation. It gives lower division teams something (more) to play for.

    With giving a CCL berth, it increases the attention that MLS teams pay on the competition. Without it, even fewer teams would care about it, and care would start later.
     
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  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many of us here have argued this to death over the years.

    The Open Cup is the longest soccer tournament in the USA, the most prestigious tournament that the USSF fully owns.

    Teams and fans care less about it for sure, you take the CCL spot away and you make it even less relevant.
     
  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Extreme disagree.

    Besides the fact that it would eliminate literally every incentive for teams to compete in the USOC, the worst-performing US team in CCL over the past 5 years has been the reigning Supporters Shield winner. The Open Cup representative has performed second best.

    In order for the curious:
    1) conference winner who did not win the Supporters Shield (USA3)
    2) U.S. Open Cup winner (USA4)
    3) MLS Cup winner (USA1)
    4) Supporters Shield winner (USA2)

    With how much turnover there is in this league year-over-year, it's kind of silly to refer to these teams as "weak" anyway.

    If last year had a full qualification slate, you would have had (current overall place in parentheses):

    USA1) New York City (2)
    USA2) Chicago (17)
    USA3) Portland (9)
    USA4) Kansas City (6)

    If the team finishing 3rd in the Supporters Shield race can drop to 17th in a season (and if the team who won it can drop to 20th), then prematurely writing off teams as "weak" for next year's tournament doesn't make sense.
     
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  4. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's literally the only avenue that a non-MLS team has to continental competition. It would be different if we had promotion/relegation but without it, I think those other teams deserve some kind of opportunity.

    If MLS teams choose not to take it seriously, that's on them.
     
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  5. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't that the purpose of BigSoccer?
     
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  6. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the response. Its an interesting topic. Regarding travel though consider this scenario and fact. A team that has played at home and then traveled to an away game, meeting a team that is flying home from an away game, both teams having played on short rest. (So travel is about the same for both.) In that scenario the road team should not be disadvantaged. But results don't show that. Results show they are still a major underdog. Also, in short derbys like Philadelphia and NY Red Bull -- the home field advantage still shows up.
     
  7. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    As I pointed out out the biggest issue is how the referees calls are influenced by crowd reaction to what the both see. I believe a previous post noted that only places where there wasn't much of a home field advantage were places where everyone plays in the same or similar stadiums. Your first scenario assumes both teams will send their best players to long away trips which isn't necessarily the case. Also the closer to the match, the more routines matter. Losing sleep the night before a test is a much bigger deal than losing it several days earlier.
     
  8. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I would love to see a comparison of home field in MLS vs the major US sports.
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It could be a problem that soccer has draws, the NHL has overtime and shootouts, and MLB, NBA, and NFL have two outcomes other than rare NFL ties.
     
  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Canadian Championship
    Home team first, times are ET

    Semi-Final Round
    Wednesday, July 18
    Ottawa Fury 0-1 Toronto FC
    Montreal Impact 1-0 Vancouver Whitecaps

    Wednesday, July 25
    Toronto FC 3-0 Ottawa Fury
    Toronto advances on aggregate, 4-0
    Vancouver Whitecaps 2-0 Montreal Impact
    Vancouver advances on aggregate, 2-1

    Final Round
    Wednesday, August 8
    Vancouver Whitecaps v. Toronto FC 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, August 15
    Toronto FC v. Vancouver Whitecaps 7:30 pm
     
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  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Young referees for the USOC semis. Ramy Touchan in Philly. Rubiel Vazquez in Houston.
     
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  12. tallguy

    tallguy Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    MoCoLand, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely. Frankly, I've thought that the English F.A. Cup would be more intense if the champion of that tournament got an automatic ticket to the UEFA Champions League. As it is, it's a bit silly that the fourth place team in the Premiership automatically qualifies for the Champions League.
     
  13. Beavis Stiffler

    Beavis Stiffler Member+

    May 14, 2011
    Naranja With Attitude. Straight Outta Houston.
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    It doesn’t matter. My Dynamo will still get Penso’d 3 times.:mad:
     
  14. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Any news on whether the final will be on TV?
     
  15. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
     
  16. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am glad these games are at least streaming.
     
  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The Union are an Open Cup powerhouse. As CCL fans I suppose we should pull for an LAFC title.
     
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  18. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Houston up 2 -1. I always cheer against teams who's fans don't bother showing up to Open Cup matches, but I hate LAFC with a strong passion. I don't know what to do.
     
  19. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    I was rooting for the Union, don't want Chicago having any more USOCs.

    Don't want LAFC to win any trophies their first year.
     
  20. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    The dream matchup is nearly set now.
     
  21. DynamoEAR

    DynamoEAR Member+

    May 30, 2011
    HoustAtlantaDMV
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hold up there boss.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They get a ticket to the Europa League.

    There used to be 3 competitions, the European Cup, the Inter City Fairs Cup, later the UEFA Cup, and the European Cup Winners Cup.

    The Super Cup was the European Cup Winners vs. the European Cup Winners Cup Winners' Cup.
     
  23. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    You're welcome.
     
  24. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Why? Maybe the Union would go out and sign......oh who the f*** am I kidding? Least if we win maybe you can see exactly how two 20 year old US kids and maybe a 19 year old hold up against central american competition.
     
  25. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Dream match-up it is.
     

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