2018 U.S. Open Cup schedule

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  1. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup
    Home team first, times are ET

    Match Center with streams:
    https://www.ussoccer.com/lamar-hunt...aments/2018-usoc/2018-us-open-cup-first-round


    First Round

    Northeast Region
    Wednesday, May 9
    AFC Ann Arbor (MI) (NPSL) v. Ocean City Nor'easters (NJ) (PDL) 6:00 pm
    Western Mass Pioneers (PDL) v. Elm City Express (CT) (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Long Island Rough Riders (PDL) v. Kingston Stockade FC (NY) (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    FC Motown (NJ) (NPSL) v. New York Red Bulls U23 (PDL) 7:00 pm
    Reading United AC (PA) (PDL) v. Christos FC (MD) 7:00 pm
    Erie Commodores FC (NPSL) v. Rochester River Dogz (NY) 7:00 pm
    Seacoast United Phantoms (MA) (PDL) v. Kendall Wanderers (MA) 7:30 pm
    Detroit City FC (NPSL) v. Michigan Bucks (PDL) 7:30 pm
    Brooklyn Italians (NPSL) v. Lansdowne Bhoys FC (NY) 8:00 pm

    Southeast Region
    Wednesday, May 9
    SIMA Aguilas (FL)(PDL) v. Jacksonville Armada (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Charlotte Eagles (PDL) v. Inter Nashville FC (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Miami FC 2 (NPSL) v. Red Force FC (FL) 7:00 pm
    Myrtle Beach Mutiny (SC) (PDL) v. South Georgia Tormenta FC (PDL) 7:10 pm
    Miami United FC (NPSL) v. FC Kendall (FL) 7:30 pm
    New Orleans Jesters (NPSL) v. Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL) 8:00 pm

    Central Region
    Wednesday, May 9
    FC Wichita (KS)(NPSL) v. OKC Energy U23 (PDL) 8:00 pm
    Duluth FC (MN)(NPSL) v. Dakota Fusion FC (ND) (NPSL) 8:30 pm
    Midland-Odessa Sockers FC (TX) (NPSL) v. Lakeland Tropics (FL) (PDL) 8:30 pm
    NTX Rayados (TX) v. Fort Worth Vaqueros (NPSL) 8:30 pm
    FC Denver (CO) v. Azteca FC (CO) 9:15 pm

    West Region
    Tuesday, May 8
    Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) v. Kitsap Soccer Club (WA) (NPSL) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, May 9
    CD Aguiluchos USA (CA) (NPSL) v. San Francisco City FC (PDL) 9:00 pm
    FC Golden State Force (CA)(PDL) v. L.A. Wolves FC (Calif.) 10:00 pm
    Orange County FC (CA) (NPSL) v. Santa Ana Winds FC (CA) 10:00 pm
    FC Arizona (NPSL) v. Sporting AZ FC (AZ) 10:00 pm
    FC Tucson (PDL) v. La Máquina FC (CA) 10:30 pm

    The 2nd round is May 16.
     
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  2. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 2018 U.S. Open Cup First Round gets underway tonight with 1 game:

    West Region
    Tuesday, May 8
    Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) v. Kitsap Soccer Club (WA) (NPSL) 10:00 pm EDT
     
  4. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    First round 1 result:

    West Region
    Tuesday, May 8
    Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) 5-0 Kitsap Soccer Club (WA) (NPSL)

    The rest of the games are on Wednesday.
     
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  5. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    NY
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some really good matchups on paper in the first round in NY/NJ

    Mowtown NPSL has a very good roster of youth and vets (It didn't work for the Mos, damn our slow backline! :() Mowtown should be up for the challenge against the Baby Bulls.

    Italians vs Bhoys, two solid clubs with great history.
     
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FT
    AFC Ann Arbor
    0 - 3
    Ocean City Nor'easters

    FT
    Charlotte Eagles
    1 - 6
    Inter Nashville FC

    AET
    Erie Commodores FC *
    1 - 1
    Rochester Lancers

    FT
    Miami FC II
    4 - 0
    Red Force

    AET
    Reading United A.C. *
    1 - 1
    Christos FC

    FT
    SIMA Aguilas
    0 - 2
    Jacksonville Armada FC

    FT
    Western Mass. Pioneers
    1 - 2
    Elm City Express

    FT
    FC Motown
    2 - 1
    New York Red Bulls U23

    FT
    Myrtle Beach Mutiny
    1 - 2
    South Georgia Tormenta FC

    AET
    Detroit City FC *
    1 - 1
    Michigan Bucks

    FT
    Miami United
    5 - 2
    FC Kendall

    AET
    Seacoast United Phantoms *
    2 - 2
    Kendall Wanderers

    FT
    Brooklyn Italians SC
    0 - 2
    Lansdowne Bhoys FC

    FT
    FC Wichita
    3 - 1
    OKC Energy FC U23

    AET
    Long Island Rough Riders
    6 - 3
    Kingston Stockade FC

    AET
    New Orleans Jesters
    1 - 1
    Mississippi Brilla *

    FT
    Midland-Odessa Sockers
    3 - 0
    Lakeland Tropics

    FT
    CD Aguiluchos
    0 - 4
    San Francisco City FC
     
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  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup

    First Round Results:

    Northeast Region
    Wednesday, May 9
    AFC Ann Arbor (MI) (NPSL) 0-3 Ocean City Nor'easters (NJ) (PDL)
    Western Mass Pioneers (PDL) 1-2 Elm City Express (CT) (NPSL)
    Long Island Rough Riders (PDL) 6-3 (aet) Kingston Stockade FC (NY) (NPSL)
    FC Motown (NJ) (NPSL) 2-1 New York Red Bulls U23 (PDL)
    Reading United AC (PA) (PDL) 1-1 (pks 5-4) Christos FC (MD)
    Erie Commodores FC (NPSL) 1-1 (pks 5-4) Rochester River Dogz (NY)
    Seacoast United Phantoms (MA) (PDL) 2-2 (pks 7-6) Kendall Wanderers (MA)
    Detroit City FC (NPSL) 1-1 (pks 5-4) Michigan Bucks (PDL)
    Brooklyn Italians (NPSL) 0-2 Lansdowne Bhoys FC (NY) 7:00 pm

    Southeast Region
    Wednesday, May 9
    SIMA Aguilas (FL)(PDL) 0-2 Jacksonville Armada (NPSL)
    Charlotte Eagles (PDL) 1-6 Inter Nashville FC (NPSL)
    Miami FC 2 (NPSL) 4-0 Red Force FC (FL)
    Myrtle Beach Mutiny (SC) (PDL) 1-2 South Georgia Tormenta FC (PDL)
    Miami United FC (NPSL) 5-2 FC Kendall (FL)
    New Orleans Jesters (NPSL) 1-1 (pks 2-3) Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL)

    Central Region
    Wednesday, May 9
    FC Wichita (KS)(NPSL) 3-1 OKC Energy U23 (PDL)
    Duluth FC (MN)(NPSL) 4-4 (3-0) Dakota Fusion FC (ND) (NPSL)
    Midland-Odessa Sockers FC (TX) (NPSL) 3-0 Lakeland Tropics (FL) (PDL)
    NTX Rayados (TX) 2-1 (aet) Fort Worth Vaqueros (NPSL)
    FC Denver (CO) 4-2 Azteca FC (CO)

    West Region
    Tuesday, May 8
    Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) 5-0 Kitsap Soccer Club (WA) (NPSL)

    Wednesday, May 9
    CD Aguiluchos USA (CA) (NPSL) 0-4 San Francisco City FC (PDL)
    FC Golden State Force (CA)(PDL) 3-1 L.A. Wolves FC (CA)
    Orange County FC (CA) (NPSL) 3-0 Santa Ana Winds FC (CA)
    FC Arizona (NPSL) 0-1 Sporting AZ FC (AZ)
    FC Tucson (PDL) 2-1 La Máquina FC (CA)

    The 2nd round is May 16.
     
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  8. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so it looks like that the NPSL went 12 wins and 8 losses this round...this might be their best overall performance ever
     
  9. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the first 2018 update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2017 Final17451574131412601332
    2018 R117451574131013181269


    As a reminder, I reworked some of the rankings so that USL and NASL would only reflect since the new rebirth of their leagues in 2011. This didn't impact the relative scores by much. I have also dropped NASL from the table, because they have no teams competing this year. If they join a future edition of the tournament, they will keep their existing score.

    NPSL has indeed done a lot better this year. They have pulled basically even with PDL (maybe slightly ahead, but it's probably too close to be sure). This is all at the expense of USASA, since PDL remained basically where they started the year. It isn't surprising at all, in fact, that USASA was so high for so long is the surprising bit. USASA had been basically on par with, or ahead of, PDL since 2015, and ahead of NPSL basically that whole time.

    USL joins next round, but because their ratings are far ahead of NPSL and PDL, I wouldn't expect a huge shift in them.
     
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  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    First round results analysis:
    Home teams went 16-10 on advancement. That was slightly better than last year's 16-12 outcome.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    NPSL 12-9 (last year 8-10)
    PDL 10-8 (last year 12-9)
    Local Qualifiers 4-9 (last year 8-9)

    Head-to-head wound up with NPSL teams winning 7 of 12 against the PDL teams.
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup
    Home team first, times are ET

    2nd Round

    Northeast Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    North Carolina FC (USL) v. Lansdowne Bhoys FC (NY) 7:00 pm
    Erie Commodores FC (NPSL) v. Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC (USL) 7:00 pm
    Reading United AC (PDL) v. Richmond Kickers (USL) 7:00 pm
    Louisville City FC (USL) v. Long Island Rough Riders (PDL) 7:00 pm
    FC Motown (NPSL) v. Penn FC (USL) 7:00 pm
    Seacoast United Phantoms (PDL v. Elm City Express (NPSL) 7:30 pm
    FC Cincinnati (USL) v. Detroit City FC (NPSL) 7:30 pm
    Charlotte Independence (USL) v. Ocean City Nor'easters (PDL) 7:30 pm

    Southeast Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    Charleston Battery (USL) v. South Georgia Tormenta FC (PDL) 7:00 pm
    Jacksonville Armada (NPSL) v. Tampa Bay Rowdies (USL) 7:00 pm
    Miami FC 2 (NPSL) v. Miami United FC (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL) v. Indy Eleven (USL) 8:00 pm
    Nashville SC (USL) v. Inter Nashville FC (NPSL) 8:30 pm

    Central Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL) v. FC Wichita (NPSL) 8:00 pm
    Duluth FC (NPSL) v. Saint Louis FC (USL) 8:00 pm
    NTX Rayados (TX) v. OKC Energy FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Midland-Odessa Sockers FC (NPSL) v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC (USL) v. FC Denver (CO) 9:00 pm

    West Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) v. San Francisco City FC (PDL) 8:00 pm
    Sporting AZ FC (AZ) v. Phoenix Rising FC (USL) 10:00 pm
    Fresno FC (USL) v. Orange County FC (NPSL) 10:00 pm
    Orange County SC (USL) vs. FC Golden State Force (PDL) 10:00 pm
    Reno 1868 FC (USL) v. Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) 10:30 pm
    Las Vegas Lights FC (USL) vs. FC Tucson (PDL) 11:00 pm
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup

    3rd Round pairings:
    These are irrespective of hosting since there are conditional scenarios.

    Wednesday, May 23
    Erie Commodores FC (NPSL)/Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC (USL) winner
    v. FC Cincinnati (USL)/Detroit City FC (NPSL) winner

    Reading United AC (PDL)/Richmond Kickers (USL) winner
    v. FC Motown (NPSL)/Penn FC (USL) winner

    North Carolina FC (USL)/Lansdowne Bhoys FC (NY) winner
    v. Charlotte Independence (USL)/Ocean City Nor'easters (PDL) winner

    Jacksonville Armada (NPSL)/Tampa Bay Rowdies (USL) winner
    v. Miami FC 2 (NPSL)/Miami United FC (NPSL) winner

    Charleston Battery (USL)/South Georgia Tormenta FC (PDL) winner
    v. Seacoast United Phantoms (PDL)/Elm City Express (NPSL) winner

    Louisville City FC (USL)/Long Island Rough Riders (PDL) winner
    v. Duluth FC (NPSL)/Saint Louis FC (USL) winner

    Nashville SC (USL)/Inter Nashville FC (NPSL) winner
    v. Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL)/Indy Eleven (USL) winner

    Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL)/FC Wichita (NPSL) winner
    v. NTX Rayados (TX)/OKC Energy FC (USL) winner

    Midland-Odessa Sockers FC (NPSL)/San Antonio FC (USL) winner
    v. Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC (USL)/FC Denver (CO) winner

    Reno 1868 FC (USL)/Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) winner
    v. Sacramento Republic FC (USL)/San Francisco City FC (PDL) winner

    Orange County SC (USL)/FC Golden State Force (PDL) winner
    v. Las Vegas Lights FC (USL)/FC Tucson (PDL) winner

    Sporting AZ FC (AZ)/Phoenix Rising FC (USL) winner
    v. Fresno FC (USL)/Orange County FC (NPSL) winner

    I think these are correct.
     
  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
  17. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So how is everything going?
     
  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume that it is safe to post scores here.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the 2nd round update for 2018 of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2017 Final17451574131412601332
    2018 R117451574131013181269
    2018 R217451534134413111282


    PDL picks up a good amount of ground on USL, NPSL remains about level, and USASA makes a small recovery. There are a number of high scoring results from this round, and a number of amateur teams still competing, which will keep the next round interesting.
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup
    Home team first, times are ET

    2nd Round results:

    Northeast Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    North Carolina FC (USL) 3-0 Lansdowne Bhoys FC (NY)
    Erie Commodores FC (NPSL) 1-2 Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC (USL)
    Reading United AC (PDL) 1-1 (pks 3-4) Richmond Kickers (USL)
    Louisville City FC (USL) 5-0 Long Island Rough Riders (PDL)
    FC Motown (NPSL) 1-3 Penn FC (USL) 6:00 pm
    Seacoast United Phantoms (PDL) 0-2 Elm City Express (NPSL)
    FC Cincinnati (USL) 4-1 (aet) Detroit City FC (NPSL) 6:30 pm
    Charlotte Independence (USL) 1-3 Ocean City Nor'easters (PDL)

    Southeast Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    Charleston Battery (USL) 1-0 South Georgia Tormenta FC (PDL)
    Jacksonville Armada (NPSL) 1-0 Tampa Bay Rowdies (USL)
    Miami FC 2 (NPSL) 1-3 Miami United FC (NPSL)
    Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL) 1-0 Indy Eleven (USL)
    Nashville SC (USL) 2-0 Inter Nashville FC (NPSL)

    Central Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL) 3-4 FC Wichita (NPSL)
    Duluth FC (NPSL) 0-2 Saint Louis FC (USL)
    NTX Rayados (TX) 5-2 (aet) OKC Energy FC (USL)
    Midland-Odessa Sockers FC (NPSL) 0-4 San Antonio FC (USL)
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC (USL) 3-2 FC Denver (CO)

    West Region
    Wednesday, May 16
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) 3-1 San Francisco City FC (PDL)
    Sporting AZ FC (AZ) 1-1 (pks 5-4) Phoenix Rising FC (USL)
    Fresno FC (USL) 2-0 Orange County FC (NPSL)
    Orange County SC (USL) 2-4 FC Golden State Force (PDL)
    Reno 1868 FC (USL) 7-3 Portland Timbers U23 (PDL) 9:30 pm
    Las Vegas Lights FC (USL) 4-2 FC Tucson (PDL)

    Second round results analysis:
    Home teams went 14-10 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 15-7
    NPSL 4-8
    PDL 3-7
    Local Qualifiers 2-2

    For the entire tournament:
    Home teams went 30-20 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 15-7
    NPSL 16-17
    PDL 13-15
    Local Qualifiers 6-11
     
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  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2018 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup
    Home team first, times are ET

    3rd Round:

    Tuesday, May 22
    North Carolina FC (USL) vs. Ocean City Nor'easters (PDL) 7:00 pm

    Wednesday, May 23
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC (USL) vs. FC Cincinnati (USL) 7:00 pm
    Richmond Kickers (USL) vs. Penn FC (USL) 7:00 pm
    Jacksonville Armada FC (NPSL) vs. Miami United FC (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Charleston Battery (USL) vs. Elm City Express (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Louisville City FC (USL) vs. Saint Louis FC (USL) 7:00 pm
    Nashville SC (USL) vs. Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL) 8:30 pm
    NTX Rayados (Texas) vs. FC Wichita (NPSL) 8:30 pm
    San Antonio FC (USL) vs. Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Sporting AZ FC (Ariz.) vs. Fresno FC (USL) 10:00 pm
    FC Golden State Force (PDL) vs. Las Vegas Lights FC (USL) 10:00 pm
    Reno 1868 FC (USL) vs. Sacramento Republic FC (USL) 10:30 pm

    The 4th round draw is on May 24 which will add in MLS teams. The 4th round games are on June 6.
     
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  24. alexspepa

    alexspepa Member

    Jun 17, 2006
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was working this game as a beer vendor - they dropped two on us in the opening 5 minutes, got a third just before half-time and never looked back. Congrats to them and I will be pulling for them going forward.

    Their nickname was apropos for the weather as it was raining and lightning right before kick-off, but they did get the game in, although they were minutes from moving it to the turf field.

    Also props to the Charlotte fans who applauded the visitors off and were even buying them beers during the game and handing them down to their bench.
     
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  25. Zamphyr

    Zamphyr Member

    Mar 31, 2003
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Suppose that’s one strategy to engineer a comeback-get the suns drunk
     

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