2018 San Jose Earthquakes preseason thread [R]

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Goodsport, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I agree he's looked good. I thought he was Reno's best player in the 1st scrimmage and he scored in the second.

    Don't know what to say about Marie. I saw things I liked the 1st time I saw him, but he had a not so great game against Reno I think it was.
     
  2. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marie wont require an international slot.

    Hoppenot looked good going forward, defensively he was a bit of a mess.
     
  3. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Just for grins I looked up some odds on our Quakes for this season, some interesting finds:

    ODDS TO SIGN WITH SAN JOSE FOR 2018
    • Giuseppe Rossi: 9/1
    • Emmanuel Adebayor: 15/1
    • Carlos Tevez: 25/1
    • Robin van Persie: 30/1
    • Zlatan Ibrahimovic: 40/1
    Our odds of winning the MLS Cup outright: 51 to 1, they placed the filth at 17 to 1. A 10 buck bet would bring a nice profit on us.
     
  4. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    "Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidency rose . . . to 91% Monday before Election Day . . . "

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/poli...arket-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html
     
  5. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
  6. sj_vanbasten

    sj_vanbasten Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    This list of players is amazing. 5 years ago.
     
  7. sacrxy

    sacrxy BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 6, 2003
    Closer to 10 years if not more. Tevez??
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    #MLSisBack! Here's your complete 2018 season preview


    San Jose Earthquakes
    A new year, a new era in San Jose. The Quakes took a European turn this winter, with Swiss GM Jesse Fioranelli hiring Swede Mikael Stahre as the club’s new head coach and signing Swedish striker Magnus Eriksson to a Designated Player deal. How the two Swedes adapt to MLS will do a lot to determine if San Jose can improve on a 2017 in which they made the playoffs but had a negative-21 goal differential. —Sam Stejskal

    2018 DEPTH CHART

    KEY ADDITION(S): Magnus Eriksson

    KEY LOSS: Victor Bernardez

    BEN BAER'S 2018 PREDICTION: 7th in West
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a 4-4-2?

    San Jose Earthquakes Depth Chart - 2018 Roster
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/rosters/2018/depth-chart/san-jose-earthquakes

    As of February 26, 2018 (Formation 4-2-3-1):


    Forwards
    Striker
    1. Danny Hoesen
    2. Quincy Amarikwa
    Second Forward
    1. Chris Wondolowski
    2. Jahmir Hyka
    3. Vako
    4. Tommy Thompson
    Midfield
    Left Winger
    1. Vako
    2. Jahmir Hyka
    3. Chris Wehan
    Box-to-box
    1. Anibal Godoy
    2. Jackson Yueill
    3. Eric Calvillo
    Defensive Mid
    1. Florian Jungwirth
    2. Fatai Alashe
    3. Luis Felipe
    4. Gilbert Fuentes
    Right Winger
    1. Magnus Eriksson
    2. Tommy Thompson
    3. Chris Wehan
    Defense
    Left Back
    1. Shea Salinas
    2. Joel Qwiberg
    Left Center Back
    1. Yeferson Quintana
    2. Francois Affolter
    3. Florian Jungwirth
    4. Jacob Akanyirige
    Right Center Back
    1. Harold Cummings
    2. Jimmy Ockford
    3. Fatai Alashe
    4. Jacob Akanyirige
    Right Back
    1. Nick Lima
    2. Joel Qwiberg
    Goalkeeper
    1. Andrew Tarbell
    2. Matt Bersano
    3. JT Marcinkowski
     
  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Not a bad attempt. There are many other ways you could fit the players, like Magnus could be a 2nd forward, Salinas can play either right or left back, TT can also play left mid, etc. I don't see Hyka ever playing 2nd forward. But not a bad attempt all things considered.
     
  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah that was the only thing that stood out to me as clearly being wrong...
     
  12. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love that people are underestimating us and WAY overestimating LA.
     
  13. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    There's whole reams of "Wrong" in this guy's prognostications. I think he must have used dice to determine his place predictions.
     
  14. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Shades of 2005? Heck even our own front office way underestimated us. I remember a preseason gathering at Cesar Chavez park downtown, and the FO folks, Alexi included, just kind of said, forlornly, that they hoped we'd be competitive.
     
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  15. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Or, better yet, shades of 2003. Quakes were supposed to suck then, too.

    I remember at the championship bash at the downtown Brit, I truthfully told Brian Ching that I knew the team was going to be good after watching the preseason friendly against Shanghai. He gave me a quizzical look, suggesting he considered me a dolt. :)
     
  16. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I'm drinking too much kool-aid, but this reminds me of 2012. All the pieces were there to compete, with no talent being greater than the team. Chemistry was good and people over performed.

    I think we've got very complimentary pieces to play a very quick and compact counter and our depth is way better. I think we'll be tough to beat.
     
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  17. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    Maybe you both were right ;)
     
  18. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Better to be right than smart. :)
     
  19. fifacupmundial

    San Jose Earthquakes, then Palmeiras, then Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 3, 2008
    Petaluma, CA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you notice during the games against real salt lake and the galaxy that we maintained possesion for quick some time.

    I think this coach has a completely different mindset than our past coaches, with more nuance.

    I can't count the amount of times I saw us play the ball through the back multiple passes comfortably in our own penalty box, with thru balls short passing movements, and lots of off ball movement into open space all between the edge of our defensive third and final third.

    I don't see us as a team that will rush the long ball along the wings, running to the corner for a cross in the box. Granted, in specific situations that may be the best option.

    Stahre is letting the players play. Attack as a team, defend as a team. Its not a few players going forward and the rest sitting back to defend. He wants the team to move in unison. Players are interchanging their positions a lot more. This month I saw Cummings press up to the center circle (where our attacking MIDs and forwards usually are)while a midfielder hurries back to cover the space left behind. We are playing a high press defense, with a quick transition game.

    I wouldn't consider our offense this season as counter attacking. We don't let the opposing team press into our defensive third or half. I'd describe our defense with a quote from Remember the Titans, "don't let them gain another yard!".

    I would describe our offense as a quick possesion based team. If our defense wins the ball back we prefer to move up the field quickly, but not to the extent of our pre Klinsmann USMNT of loosing possesion quickly because there are not enough numbers forward to sustain an attack. We've been playing a lot of 1 2 balls, through balls, chip passes. This month there has been a lot of ball movement horizontally in the air and on the ground.

    We have Lima and Salinas that will sprint direct along the wings, but our midfielders and forwards are playing a more versatile game.

    We've been putting a lot more pressure in the final third with six guys in and around the box consistently.

    If we can consistently play the season like our preseason, improve our finishing (hopefully we were just a bit rusty), we have the potential to do great things.

    Though after watching our competition play in the CCL this past week, we really need to be solid in our defensive third. Did any of you guys see Seattle's goal chipped goal from midfield in central America this last week? And Toronto's lethal in the box one time goal?

    My focus will be more on how our high pressure highline defense plays against NYFC, Seattle, Atlanta, Toronto, and Orlando City ( now that they have Yoshi, Rossel, and Kljestan- some bad boys). Lucky we have our Louisiana Brick wall, Tarbell, in goal. His long do you think before he moves to Europe? Maybe our next Kasey Keller or Tim Howard if he continues his consistency, and stays on the same trajectory in development.

    Breathe of fresh air we finally have a front office and coaching staff that gives us hope and expectation going forward. Really impressed with them so far this early.
     
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  20. onemormor

    onemormor Member

    Oct 11, 2008
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Get out of here with your rosy assessment. Doom and gloom is what this forum lives on.
     
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  21. fifacupmundial

    San Jose Earthquakes, then Palmeiras, then Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 3, 2008
    Petaluma, CA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll give credit and criticism where its deserved. Get used to it.
     
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  22. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #347 JazzyJ, Feb 28, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2018
    I think the mindset is actually pretty similar to Kinnear. Defend first, either deep / two lines of four or high press (but I'm guessing we'll see more of the former), and then counter. I don't see possession being a priority. It's defend and quick counter primarily. That doesn't mean it can't be good. All depends on how effective the counter is.

    If you are looking for a "different mindset from our past coaches" that would be Chris Leitch. He tried to own the midfield, took a lot of risks on the attack side, did not play conservatively on the road, generally did not bunker, and made possession more of a priority. The results were very mixed, but if nothing else it was truly different from the typical Yallop / Kinnear team. Played a lot of 3-5-2, which I never saw from Kinnear, Yallop, or Wat.

    I don't think we'll have a good sense for how good we are until when we play KC in KC the second game. We'll sober up pretty fast from all of that preseason "drunk with optimism" playing on the road against a good team. If our counter is real effective we could beat them (like we did that one time when everything went right and we won 5-0). If not, we will get dominated like we usually do there.
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Jesse recently said that Marie was working on a green card. I’m guessing that means he would take up a slot until he gets it
     
  25. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Armchair Analyst: Frontrunners, the Pack & all 23 MLS teams by tier

    San Jose Earthquakes
    If not for their California neighbors the Quakes would easily win the "Largest Gap Between Your Ceiling and Your Floor" award, which is pretty much exactly what you'd expect of a team that A) made the playoffs, with B) the 19th-best goal differential (-21) in MLS last year. When they were good they were really pretty good – pinging the ball around, combining nicely through midfield, generating quality chances – and when they were bad they got pounded all to hell and lost 5-0. It was uncanny.

    I don't think this team will have such wild swings in 2018. New head coach Mikael Stahre has a reputation as a solid defensive coach, and he has actual defenders he can use this year (while pushing Florian Jungwirth up to his natural d-mid slot). How those defenders will do is something of a mystery as there will be three new starters on the backline, but it looks like it should work.

    The attack should work as well even as Chris Wondolowski heads into his final chapter. Stahre has a couple of goalscoring wingers to call on, Danny Hoesen is an under-the-radar pick for a big year at center forward, and this will finally be Tommy Thompson's break-out year, I swear it!

    I really do think the Quakes will be solid or better. I'm just not super eager to bet my life on it.

    WEEK 1 LINEUP

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    NOTE: I'll be surprised if I don't get this one spot on.

    ED. NOTE (BAER): Doyle's wrong, Shea Salinas is going to start at left back.
     

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