2018 MLS Week 26 Referee Discussion

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  1. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The assignments for Week 26 of the 2018 Major League Soccer season:

    08/22/2018

    New York City v New York Red Bulls
    Yankee Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Brian Dunn
    4TH: Chris Penso
    VAR: Mark Geiger

    08/23/2018

    Chicago Fire v Columbus Crew
    Toyota Park (7PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: TJ Zablocki
    4TH: Fotis Bazakos
    VAR: Robert Sibiga

    Houston Dynamo v FC Dallas
    BBVA Compass Stadium (9PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Brian Poeschel
    AR2: Jeremy Kieso
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi

    08/24/2018

    Orlando City v Atlanta United
    Orlando City Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Ismail Elfath
    AR1: Eduardo Mariscal
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4TH: Sorin Stoica
    VAR: Caleb Mendez

    LA Galaxy v Los Angeles FC
    StubHub Center (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Jeffrey Greeson
    4TH: Joseph Dickerson
    VAR: Allen Chapman

    08/25/2018

    Philadelphia Union v New England Revolution
    Talen Energy Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Peter Manikowski
    AR2: Peter Balciunas
    4TH: Chico Grajeda
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez

    Toronto FC v Montreal Impact
    BMO Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Mark Geiger
    AR1: Joe Fletcher
    AR2: Logan Brown
    4TH: Dave Gantar
    VAR: Geoff Gamble

    Sporting Kansas City v Minnesota United
    Children’s Mercy Park (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Robert Sibiga
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Kevin Klinger
    4TH: Fotis Bazakos
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr

    Colorado Rapids v Real Salt Lake
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Matthew Nelson
    4TH: Rubiel Vazquez
    VAR: Armando Villarreal

    San Jose Earthquakes v Vancouver Whitecaps
    Avaya Stadium (10PM ET)
    REF: Baldomero Toledo
    AR1: Apolinar Mariscal
    AR2: Cameron Blanchard
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Kevin Stott

    08/26/2018

    New York Red Bulls v D.C. United
    Red Bull Arena (7PM ET)
    REF: Dave Gantar
    AR1: Michael Kampmeinert
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Alex Chilowicz

    Portland Timbers v Seattle Sounders
    Providence Park (9:30PM ET)
    REF: Christopher Penso
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Corey Rockwell
    4TH: Joseph Dickerson
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It must be derby week. Seems to give you a pretty good idea of who exactly PRO has in their top 10 or so.
     
  3. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After taking Penso's game on 8/19, this puts Unkel at 3 middles in 6 days. Have we seen that much activity from one person in the middle before?
     
  4. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Not that I can remember. To be honest, I was not impressed with Unkel’s game in DC this weekend. He seemed inconsistent with his calls and gave an incredibly soft second yellow to a NE player.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean the one where the player, already on a yellow, came in late and deliberately clipped the heels of an opponent when he had his back to goal and had clearly already released the ball?

    I think you watched too much of the World Cup. Why do we want to keep that player on the field? Caldwell was the only one to offer any sort of real protest and he had to spend much more time defending himself from his own teammates, who were pissed he even made that challenge.
     
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  6. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    I just didn’t think the contact really had any force whatsoever behind it. I’m a DC fan, but I think our player’s reaction to the contact is what prompted the second caution. I didn’t see a camera angle that has made me think otherwise. (So far, anyway)

    I’m not saying it wasn’t a foul, but the DC player embellished the contact way too much.
     
  7. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Put your referee hat on. You're saying a ref of Unkel's experience ignored the contact he saw and was conned by the player's reaction? Even though another experienced ref (Mass Ref) has pointed out the factors that make it a cautionable foul--factors that don't really relate so much to high force as to no force being appropriate in this context. (I haven't seen the play, but MR has never been one to rashly advocate cards--from MR's description, it sounds like a cheap shot that needs to be cautioned to discourage the behavior--which sounds supported by the reaction of the players.) As I said, I haven't seen the play, but sounds to me like you might need to recalibrate on this one.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unkel was somewhat slow in reacting. But I believe the 4th and AR1 are the ones who helped him out on recognizing the misconduct.
     
  9. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Oh. That makes more sense. The only camera angle I saw was the broadcast, which was fairly far away. I guess the fact that the player came in late and possibly clipped him after the ball was gone is enough for a YC all on its own.
     
  10. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't uncommon to see several assignments in a row in the very early days. Less common now, and really only significant this week because of Penso's scratch last week.
     
  11. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Actually it's 7 days, not 6.

    Gantar on DC-NJ seems like an accident waiting to happen
     
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  12. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Just watched the Riverhounds-Rowdies game. A PRO referee was in the center, but he looked like a Grade 6 who was out of his element. The last 8 minutes or so were very.....interesting.
     
  13. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jumps out to me as a "prove you belong in the upper echelon" type of assignment.
     
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  14. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The referee was Marcos DeOlivera, for reference. He’s never really made it as a consistent MLS center.
     
  15. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    I would imagine it is because his foul recognition is a little shaky. His man management definitely needs a lot of work as well.
     
  16. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe...but I like his style. Maybe more effective in MLS than in Pittsburgh. I will say this though, I think either DC or NY would take him in the middle over Gantar... In fact, wasn't it Gantar who blew his whistle as the ball was crossing the goal line on a DC/NY game a few years ago? I agree that this assignment is crazy, and DeOliviera will have a front row seat. Apologies to @ManiacalClown but there is no way this is a "prove you belong" assignment. Gantar has been around way to long for that.
     
  17. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    I agree. USL games tend to be a bit more aggressive and chaotic than MLS games.
     
  18. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Guys, guys, guys... Gantar has a white badge he must be one of the best referees in MLS! :D
     
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  19. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got nothing. Clearly handled by Cleveland outside the area. How could that not be an obvious goal scoring opportunity?
     
  20. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because there were 4 Chicago defenders between the foul and the goal. Brings one of the Ds into doubt so it's not a clear and obvious error to not send him off. That's fair.
     
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  21. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zlatan definitely had a hand to Lee Nguyen's face based on the video I saw on Twitter somewhere. Unfortunately, it was filmed in Zapruder Vision.
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unkel had two reds tonight in Colorado and I can't complain about either one
     
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