2018 MLS Week 24 Referee Discussion

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    08/11/2018

    Columbus Crew v Houston Dynamo
    MAPFRE Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Mark Geiger
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4TH: Rubiel Vazquez
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr

    New England Revolution v Philadelphia Union
    Gillette Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Jason White
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Christina Unkel

    Chicago Fire v New York Red Bulls
    Toyota Park (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Nima Saghafi
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4TH: Robert Sibiga
    VAR: Matt Franz

    Colorado Rapids v San Jose Earthquakes
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Alan Kelly
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Joseph Dickerson
    VAR: Armando Villarreal

    Real Salt Lake v Montreal Impact
    Rio Tinto Stadium (10PM ET)
    REF: Christopher Penso
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: Michael Kampmeinert
    4TH: Sorin Stoica
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi

    LA Galaxy v Minnesota United
    StubHub Center (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Baldomero Toledo
    AR1: Kevin Klinger
    AR2: Kyle Longville
    4TH: Alejandro Mariscal
    VAR: Rosendo Mendoza

    Los Angeles FC v Sporting Kansas City
    Banc of California Stadium (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Ismail Elfath
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Kevin Stott
    VAR: Tim Ford

    Portland Timbers v Vancouver Whitecaps
    Providence Park (11PM ET)
    REF: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Joe Fletcher
    4TH: Daniel Radford
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic

    08/12/2018

    Toronto FC v New York City
    BMO Field (4PM ET)
    REF: Chico Grajeda
    AR1: Jeffrey Greeson
    AR2: Adam Garner
    4TH: Drew Fischer
    VAR: Geoff Gamble

    D.C. United v Orlando City
    Audi Field (8PM ET)
    REF: JC Rivero
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Brian Poeschel
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez

    Seattle Sounders v FC Dallas
    CenturyLink Field (10PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4TH: Jon Freemon
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic

    08/14/2018

    LA Galaxy v Colorado Rapids
    StubHub Center (10:30PM ET)
    REF: Kevin Stott
    AR1: Eduardo Mariscal
    AR2: Cameron Blanchard
    4TH: Chico Grajeda
    VAR: Ismail Elfath
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USOC Semis

    PHI vs CHI
    R: Ramy TOUCHAN
    AR1: Craig LOWRY
    AR2: Tom FELICE
    4TH: Thomas SNYDER


    HOU vs LAFC
    R: Rubiel VAZQUEZ
    AR1: Cory RICHARDSON
    AR2: Art ARUSTAMYAN
    4TH: Rosendo MENDOZA
     
  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, that Tuesday game is technically week 25. PRO probably posted the assignment today so they wouldn't be posting it the day of.
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USOC Semi and a CONCACAF League match for Vazquez. Pretty solid for a guy who's done 8 MLS matches. On his way to a white badge?
     
  5. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tough to say. It's definitely notable that both ARs in Philly are relatively local (although obviously a veteran in Lowry's case) compared to the ARs in Houston.
     
  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lots of confusion about Law 11 in relation to the Columbus goal.
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You got it right in the MLS thread.

    "A player is offside if he clearly attempts to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent."

    Attempts to play the ball? Check
    Ball was close to him? Check
    Impacted an opponent? Nope
     
  8. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was one of the confused ones. It had been a while since I had read the updated rule.

    The old Law, back in the days when I was carrying a flag, wasn't as specific. The current law distinguishes between playing the ball and ATTEMPTING to play the ball. Interfering with play requires actually TOUCHING it, and ATTEMPTING to play it only matters if you interfere with an opponent.

    This is a lot easier than I first thought. Goal counts.
     
  9. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How did it not impact an opponent. Sorry I don't buy that interpretation.
     
  10. Union42

    Union42 Member+

    Jul 29, 2013
    Swarthmore, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a technical question about the handling in the penalty area that lead to 3rd goal for Philly in their match against New England on Saturday. Clear handling in the area to take away an open header on goal for the Union. Does this count as DOGSO? In my opinion it does not, but I'm curious to know the opinion of others. Also, with the new DOGSO rules, would this be a RC if it was DOGSO, or a YC? My understanding is that DOGSO in the area is now a YC, but I sort of remember something about it still being a RC if it is a handling offense (e.g., Luis Suarez in the 2010 WC semifinal).

    Highlight here:
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...on-vs-philadelphia-union/details/video/167140

    Thanks!
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not DOGSO. The player still needed to get the header on goal and the goalkeeper was in a good position to make a save. But it was certainly a yellow. It can't be compared with the Suarez incident when he stopped a clear goal.

    Also DOGSO in the penalty area didn't change when it comes to handling. It's still a red card offense.
     
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  12. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does DC United vs. Orlando City go down in MLS history as the most uses of VAR in a single game? 4 potential goals were reviewed for offside along with a violent conduct review.
     
  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weren't there only two reviews in the match? The red card and then the offside decision overturned.
     
  14. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, there were 5. Rooney scored one that was ruled offside on the field (and confirmed to be offside, correctly, due to Asad being offside on the buildup). Acosta's 2nd and 3rd were both reviewed. Dwyer's was reviewed. And the red card.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're they checked (like every goal is) or were they reviewed (where the referee physically went over to the TV monitory)?
     
  16. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reviewed. The AR even went with him on the Dwyer review.
     
  17. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Unkel made a mess of the end of the Seattle-Dallas match....
     
  18. Quaker

    Quaker Member+

    FC Dallas
    Apr 19, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How does Jurisevic not let Ted Unkel know he may have made a mistake on the Reto Ziegler red card? I think he contributed to the way this match ended.
     
  19. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man, the announcers were just reaming the hell out of Unkel for the way he screwed the pooch on the ending of Dallas @ Seattle.

    Why was VAR not an option there?
     
  20. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The video is out there that shows what Ziegler did. The real question is how a VAR has, yet again, not recommended a review for VC on a clear headbutt. Ziegler reacted for a reason.
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So it sounds like they correctly caught Ziegler for the retaliation but missed the headbutt from Ruidiaz. Of course it's common for the on field officials to catch the retaliation but not the first aggressor.

    But VAR is supposed to catch it. And even only seeing one angle at 240p, you can see how clearly he headbutts his opponent.
     
  22. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    There's a huge outcry from Orlando fans about the winner DC goal last night... mostly based around the non-understanding of APP.

    Right around the 9s mark here, watch what Acosta does at the top of the penalty area...



    Now, this was not seen by the ref, but I have a suspicion that this was what the VAR video was looking at. Although, this incident came before the APP (which actually began when Rooney won the ball near the halfway line), I suspect that it was being looked at for potential VC.
     
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  23. bluetooner

    bluetooner Member

    Nov 7, 2008
    Carteret NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Was there really a need to have a full VAR review on the disallowed Rooney goal? It was clearly offside so shouldn't have been more than a glance surely? Also saw Rooney asking for VAR which is supposed to be yellow, especially when it was clearly a correct call.

     
  24. bluetooner

    bluetooner Member

    Nov 7, 2008
    Carteret NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I saw that and surely at that moment the right call if seen is to play advantage anyway, so would a referee be allowed to say that I would have played an advantage if I saw it and the goal would stand?
     
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  25. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Acosta's trip was NOT what was reviewed on this goal; the review was checking whether he was offside or not, as Wienckowski had flagged him as offside.
     

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