2018 MLS Week 20 Referee Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS Referee Forum' started by jdmahoney, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I think what this is showing us for VAR to actually work really properly you, you probably need at at least three VARs in a booth almost to what FIFA did for the World Cup. VAR, AVAR and then AVAR2. Unless you can train the video operators to know what to look for and how to be VARs.

    PRO is being stretched with just having to have an AVAR in addition to VAR. If you look on USGO, you can see some former ARs being listed as AVAR. Usually locals who had former AR experience and they are there mainly to just help out with offside and watching while VAR is reviewing an incident.

    Maybe this is a one off incident and only one or two bodies is needed the room.

    If not I don't know how PRO will be able to get so many guys to cover everything. They are stretched on field as is.
     
  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #27 JasonMa, Jul 18, 2018
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    Is there any easily accessible archive of assignments? Some Rapids fans are convinced we get "stuck" with Toledo more than average and I'd like to compare the numbers this year (and ideally, the last couple of years).
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume @ManiacalClown has those somewhat handy.
     
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  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awesome, thanks. BTW, do you happen to have a rough estimate on how that compares to other teams? I'm guessing 2-3 per year on average is in line with how often he sees every team.
     
  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hearing no punishment for the Martinez headbutt. Ridiculous if true.
     
  7. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, in general the referees with the most games see each team a couple of times per year, but there are outliers. They might never see a team at all, or, especially factoring in playoffs, 5 or 6 times!

    As far back as I've been tracking this stuff, the guidelines have been to spread the love around as much as possible. That said, there are still plenty of cases where assignments are made with the aim of minimizing travel costs, especially in the AR2 and 4th official positions. It's not nearly as obvious as it used to be, though.
     
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  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most frequent referee by team, 2017 (incl playoffs)

    ATL: Kelly (4)
    CHI: Kelly (5)
    COL: Grajeda (4) [Toledo - 1]
    CLB: Elfath/Kelly/Penso/Petrescu (4 ea)
    DC: Fischer/Gantar/Rivero/Sibiga/Stoica/Unkel (3 ea)
    DAL: Stott (4)
    HOU: Chapman (4)
    LA: Penso/Stott (4 ea)
    MIN: Elfath/Penso/Rivero/Unkel/Villarreal (3 ea)
    MTL: Sibiga (4)
    NE: Petrescu (4)
    NYC: Penso (4)
    ORL: Penso/Sibiga (3 ea)
    PHI: Kelly/Rivero/Salazar/Stoica (3 ea)
    POR: Toledo (5)
    RSL: Stott (4)
    RBNY: Chapman (4)
    SJ: Fischer/Grajeda/Kelly/Rivero/Salazar (3 ea)
    SEA: Salazar/Stott/Toledo (4 ea)
    SKC: Toledo (5)
    TOR: Chapman (5)
    VAN: Toledo (6)
     
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  9. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    DC seems to have the most variety out of anyone.
     
  10. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everyone declined all the time because no one wanted to go to RFK? :D
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The real answer, I think, is that teams that are particularly poor tend to get the lower tier and trial referees a little more often, which means the upper tier workhorses see them slightly less frequently.

    Top referees on the most meaningful games.
     
  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember back in the early days that the Rapids would always get young refs for home games because the national head of assessors (or something like that) lived closer to Denver than any other MLS team (he wasn't in Denver but somewhere in the Colorado/Wyoming area). So he'd travel to the game to check out the young refs.
     
  13. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, I've heard that back in the day. Same reason RSL got a lot of trialists in their early years.
     
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  14. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's really annoying. I'm sure it has *nothing* to do with the fact that he's a superstar and he's chasing the MLS single season goal record. Nope, nothing at all....
     
  15. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This picture is brutal on that missed ATL call. I almsot get that the VAR didn't see it because he didn't have the right angle, and all he saw "was not atypical." Harder to explain why Baldo missed it.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    Didn’t Baldomero have a big miss a few weeks ago as well?
     

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