2018 MLS Week 13 Referee Discussion

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  1. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The assignments for Week 13 of the 2018 Major League Soccer season:

    05/25/2018

    Toronto FC v FC Dallas
    BMO Field (8PM ET)
    REF: CHRISTOPHER PENSO
    AR1: CAMERON BLANCHARD
    AR2: LOGAN BROWN
    4TH: ALEJANDRO MARISCAL
    VAR: GEOFF GAMBLE

    Houston Dynamo v New York City
    BBVA Compass Stadium (8:55PM ET)
    REF: ALLEN CHAPMAN
    AR1: ANDREW BIGELOW
    AR2: CHRIS WATTAM
    4TH: DANIEL RADFORD
    VAR: JORGE GONZALEZ

    LA Galaxy v San Jose Earthquakes
    StubHub Center (11PM ET)
    REF: KEVIN STOTT
    AR1: ADAM GARNER
    AR2: MICHAEL KAMPMEINERT
    4TH: HILARIO GRAJEDA
    VAR: ALEX CHILOWICZ

    05/26/2018

    Seattle Sounders v Real Salt Lake
    CenturyLink Field (5PM ET)
    REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
    AR1: APOLINAR MARISCAL
    AR2: JEFF HOSKING
    4TH: MALIK BADAWI
    VAR: SILVIU PETRESCU

    Vancouver Whitecaps v New England Revolution
    BC Place (5:30PM ET)
    REF: JOSEPH DICKERSON
    AR1: COREY PARKER
    AR2: JEREMY HANSON
    4TH: JON FREEMON
    VAR: EDVIN JURISEVIC

    New York Red Bulls v Philadelphia Union
    Red Bull Arena (7PM ET)
    REF: TED UNKEL
    AR1: KATHRYN NESBITT
    AR2: ADAM WIENCKOWSKI
    4TH: GUIDO GONZALES
    VAR: DAVE GANTAR

    Orlando City v Chicago Fire
    Orlando City Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: NIMA SAGHAFI
    AR1: PETER MANIKOWSKI
    AR2: JOSE DA SILVA
    4TH: MARCOS DEOLIVEIRA
    VAR: KEVIN TERRY JR

    Minnesota United v Montreal Impact
    TCF Bank Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: ALAN KELLY
    AR1: MATTHEW NELSON
    AR2: ERIC WEISBROD
    4TH: LUIS GUARDIA
    VAR: CALEB MENDEZ

    Colorado Rapids v Portland Timbers
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: SORIN STOICA
    AR1: JEFFREY GREESON
    AR2: CRAIG LOWRY
    4TH: FOTIS BAZAKOS
    VAR: YOUNES MARRAKCHI

    Los Angeles FC v D.C. United
    Banc of California Stadium (10PM ET)
    REF: ISMAIL ELFATH
    AR1: IAN ANDERSON
    AR2: OSCAR MITCHELL-CARVALHO
    4TH: HILARIO GRAJEDA
    VAR: ALEX CHILOWICZ

    05/27/2018

    Sporting Kansas City v Columbus Crew
    Children’s Mercy Park (6PM ET)
    REF: ROBERT SIBIGA
    AR1: JASON WHITE
    AR2: KEVIN KLINGER
    4TH: DANIEL RADFORD
    VAR: JORGE GONZALEZ
     
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  2. aphelorah

    aphelorah Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    USA
    Big week for the development group. Badawi, Freemon, and Guardia all have their debut as 4th officials. Guido Gonzales has his fourth assignment as fourth official.
     
  3. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    LOS ANGELES FC
    vs. BORUSSIA DORTMUND (GERMAN...
    REF:
    BALDOMERO TOLEDO
    AR1: CAMERON BLANCHARD
    AR2: EDUARDO MARISCAL
    4TH: MICHAEL RADCHUK

    Thought some would find these assignments interesting.
     
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  4. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Genuinely impressed with Stoica who gave a Team PI in the 4th minute against Colorado. 4 fouls in the first 4 minutes.
     
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  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rapids just lost a goal through VAR. Correcrly based on the one in-stadium replay I saw, though the fans are ready to revolt.
     
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  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had to go back and watch the first few minutes. That was well done by Stoica.
     
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  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A very good example of useful VAR. There was a very subtle touch by the Colorado attacker here.

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm so confused by VAR in the LAFC/DC game tonight. Especially that Mattocks/Ciman handling incident that wound up being a foul coming out on Mattocks. I rewound the play several times and I am still not 100% sure where the foul on Mattocks was.
     
  9. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has been a very weird game.

    Gave a good red to LAFC for a tackle that probably doesn't get red often enough in MLS. Second half has been...interesting.
     
  10. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #10 code1390, May 26, 2018
    Last edited: May 27, 2018
    That's an interesting one. If you have ESPN+, the angle at 63:42 and 63:49 on the game clock shows the very subtle contact on the left foot of the LAFC defender.

    Now the LAFC player clearly sells this contact and then lands on the ball and deliberately handles it. That subtle contact on a defender who's running towards his own goal line is almost always called a foul and I believe the correct decision was made by Elfath and Chilowicz. Still a very interesting scenario for VAR.
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who would consider "subtle" to meet the "clear and obvious" standard, though? The only thing that's clear and obvious from the replays I watched, and that gif, is the Ciman dive and deliberate handling.
     
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  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what makes this such an interesting situation. One of my biggest complaints about VAR is the standard to call a foul on the attacker that takes away a goal or PK is a lot lower than giving a PK. So in terms of how VAR has been applied in MLS and around the world, I think it was absolutely correct to give the free kick to LAFC. Do I think that lower standard for fouls on defenders will continue to cause VAR controversy? Yep. It'll happen in MLS again and it will likely happen at the World Cup. But as we saw with Atlanta and NYRB it doesn't take a whole lot of contact by an attacker on a defender to call back a goal (or in this case not give a PK).
     
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  14. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saw a late replay with Craig Lowry playing 4th official in Colorado. What's the story? Did Fotis have to run a line?
     
  15. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For anyone who is watching/watched the SKC-Columbus game, how could have VAR and Sigiba not sent off Martinez for the attempted strike on Sinovic? Law 12 says that a direct free kick foul can occur by "striking or attempting to strike", and even if the strike didn't connect it sure was intended to be around the head and neck area.

    I can only imagine that the reason for not sending Martinez off was because they felt there was no contact. Full disclosure that I'm a SKC fan, but I'd be asking the same question if it was Sinovic attempting to strike Martinez.
     
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  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That may be the oddest non-use of VAR (e.g. a VAR check but not a review) that I can remember in MLS if not the entire VAR experiment.
     
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  17. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That one's up there with the Mattocks elbow from week 1 in my book as far as "what the hell was the VAR thinking."
     
  18. ocagrad16

    ocagrad16 New Member

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Jul 22, 2017
    REF: JOSEPH DICKERSON
    AR1: COREY PARKER
    AR2: JEREMY HANSON
    4TH: JON FREEMON
    VAR: EDVIN JURISEVIC

    This crew gets the best hair award.
     
  19. bluetooner

    bluetooner Member

    Nov 7, 2008
    Carteret NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    There was a weird VAR moment in the Red Bull Union game. Around the 60th minute, the Red Bulls were through on goal and Blake came out to challenge, and for me clearly got the ball. However, it didnt matter anyway as the Red Bull striker was correctly called offside. Where it gets strange is that VAR wanted to have a look again as the restart was delayed. Assuming it wasnt something else they were looking at (red card offense off the ball) I thought VAR could not be used after that point as the offside call stopped the game. Is that correct?
     
  20. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was able to find it and watch it. The whistle was blown for offside after the goalkeeper committed the challenge on the Red Bull player. This allows the VAR to look at the play to see if it was a penalty kick (which it wasn't). If it was a PK committed by the goalkeeper, then it would have been awarded if the RBNY player was onside (which he wasn't) since the whistle came after the challenge.
     
  21. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    #21 akindc, May 28, 2018
    Last edited: May 28, 2018
    Utterly baffling. Did they have equipment trouble? Weren't able to see a replay?
    If not, there is 100% no excuse for not giving the RC.

    https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/05/2....com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=si-soccer
     
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  22. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    There had to be some communication failure between the VAR and Sibiga - he had his hand to his earpiece for quite a while but never went to the monitor for this one. He had sent off Higuain in the first half on a play he missed but VAR caught, and he went to the monitor for that one. I cannot fathom the VAR seeing the incident and concluding that it was not VC. Someone dropped the ball here.
     
  23. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blaming this on VAR is one thing--and its true, they dropped the ball big time. But also, the 4th and trailing AR should have been able to see that in real time. I get that JAR has play coming to him, and has his eyes on the ball, but the SAR and 4th should have had this. Like Geiger's send-off last week (and Grajeda's two weeks ago) that VAR got correct...I'm glad VAR bailed them out but these things really should be seen in real time. I wonder if the trailing AR and 4th just aren't watching off the ball anymore because of VAR?
     
  24. FootyPDX

    FootyPDX Member

    Portland Timbers
    England
    Nov 21, 2017
    This lack of VAR review on that is really baffling. Did Sibiga and/or PRO offer any sort of explanation for this?
     
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  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This past week just shows how difficult this sport is to officiate at the top levels.

    We have handling decisions that range from not a PK to probably a PK to absolutely a PK. Then we also have about a half dozen orange card tackles.

     

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