2018 HOT Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by spykemanne, Mar 17, 2018.

  1. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    Oregon State is the clear cut bottom of the PAC 12. UW, Oregon, the AZ schools are all very attractive destinations. WSU has a gorgeous campus and nice facilities for those who like the rural school setting. OSU has no draw except its conference.
     
  2. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  3. Holmes12

    Holmes12 Member

    May 15, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think top-tier palyers, it's what outsider view said...four Cali schools or bust. The recruiting pool (money, population density, etc) is like 90% Cali players. The second tier is definitely what you said in the Pac 12 but the out of states begin to compete with beachy stuff like Pepperdine, UCSB, etc.
     
  4. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    Forgot to mention Colorado and Utah from the Pac 12. Boulder needs no sales pitch. Stunning campus. Utah is in an attractive setting as well. OSU is the least sellable of the conference.
     
  5. Holmes12

    Holmes12 Member

    May 15, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Is Utah dry? That would put it in a tie with WSU (distant) as second least desirable.
     
  6. Westcoastbias

    Westcoastbias New Member

    Jan 9, 2019
    Syracuse is going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. Still no coach hired and people turning it down daily. Better reevaluate the pay etc.
    Iona made it official with a well respected coach TP with plenty of experience. Very good hire for them.
    Oregon St will be relevant soon. MK was the perfect fit for them. No longer a sure win in the PAC 12
    JL will do wonders at BC. He knows the ACC butit will be key who he brings in as assts. They need to get the best Northeast players or they will be in trouble.
     
  7. Fish On

    Fish On Member

    Oct 22, 2016
    Club:
    AC Mantova
    Why don't they just walk down the hall...https://cuse.com/staff.aspx?staff=483

    She has more experience and licenses than probably 95% of any female college coaches...
     
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  8. Soccerguy1022

    Soccerguy1022 New Member

    Manchester City
    United States
    Nov 28, 2018
    What jobs are still open? And any news/rumors on Miss State?
     
  9. allovercollegesoccer

    Dec 12, 2014
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I heard at the convention the Auburn associate head was the front runner. So basically Mississippi State would hire Aaron Gordon 2.0 and he’ll go the same way.
     
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  10. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    I don't disagree, but they will see her as being part of the problem. She's been there since 2015 and they only got worse. They may eventually have no choice, though, if they keep getting turned down.
     
  11. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Totally agree- she will be associated with them being bad so I don’t see that happening.
     
  12. Westcoastbias

    Westcoastbias New Member

    Jan 9, 2019
    If they wanted to hire her they would of by now. Any talk in Sanford as in who is going in?
     
  13. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Not sure either, but one of the possible theories could have to do with a particular emotion that's called with a German word: Schadenfreude. :giggle:
     
  14. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I'm completely wrong, but it seems like a lot of posters on this thread are members of coaching staffs and this is part of their subculture.

    If you think in terms of there being a turnover in the head coaching profession of about 10% per year, it makes sense that there would be a lot of chatter somewhere about the coaching changes that are going on. This appears to be where a good deal of that chatter goes on among those associated with that world.

    It's drawn my interest because it tells a lot about how different observers evaluate teams' coaches. A good example is Syracuse's ex-coach. He was listed as on the hot seat for a couple of years before this one (when he was let go), and I was pointing out that the team's ARPI stats said they were improving slowly but surely. I remember one of the posters commenting about understanding what the stats said but being quite sure that notwithstanding that, he was bad for the players. Then, low and behold Syracuse had a disastrous year in 2018 and he was gone. That was a good lesson for me that sometimes things are going on that the stats -- so far -- don't reflect and that one always must maintain a level of doubt about what the stats seem to be saying. (Just as, probably even to a greater extent, one always must maintain a level of doubt about what one's own impressions saying.)
     
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  15. Red_devil99

    Red_devil99 New Member

    United
    United States
    May 20, 2018
    Don’t know who equates AU assoc hc to AG? He has been a big part of an incredibly successful run at AU, and i believe is a pretty good coach. Seems he has a good mix of talent and would be a good fit at MSU.

     
  16. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #966 SoccerTrustee, Jan 14, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
    At this point it would be terrific if Lawrence were given a shot at Syracuse. If they have been turned down by other female candidates and she is the strongest female candidate left then they could and probably should pursue her at this point. She has a strong background and by all accounts seems to be well respected and well liked.

    I along with other posters here on the board have commented before on the need to hire the best candidate, gender notwithstanding. I can understand somewhat the need for gender equity. But this is a sport where typically females make up only about 30% of head coaches. Syracuse was turning the corner in the Big East, but since joining the ACC have gone 11-40-6. Why box yourself in? They should look at every possible option to get a strong qualified candidate. And if you asked the players there or any other program for that matter they would want the best candidate regardless of sex. The pool of females that are experienced, licensed, and good at coaching and management is pretty small. If Syracuse made their inquiries to women on that short list and it didn’t pan out then document you made those attempts to make gender equity people happy and then go after a legit hire no matter his or her anatomy. Then there actually may be a chance of getting a good coach who actually would want the job. They have to save face at this point because this is perhaps the one of the most embarrassing hiring processes in recent memory.
     
  17. Fish On

    Fish On Member

    Oct 22, 2016
    Club:
    AC Mantova
    If that was the case why didn't they let her go too? You think a new coach would retain her if that was the case? No. Maybe she is not interested in being a HC?
     
  18. WACySOCCERWORLD

    Jan 28, 2014
    You can not completely abandon the recruiting effort, that's why she is still there.
     
  19. OGSoccerCoach

    OGSoccerCoach Member

    May 11, 2017
    I can’t remember seeing anyone from Syracuse this last weekend at the ECNL event in Florida and I was out there at the complexes almost all day refereeing.
     
  20. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    usually you keep an assistant on to run the day to day things and keep the team working out. Usually the new head coach will come in and clean out the staff. Its not glorious but most assistants need to stay to keep a paycheck coming in. Im sure she knows she is probably gone and is actively looking for the next gig.
     
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  21. outsiderview

    outsiderview Member

    Oct 1, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Probably at the convention networking for new jobs. That would be the smart thing to do.
     
  22. Cantcoach

    Cantcoach Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Dec 29, 2017

    Looking at the schedule from 2018 they lost 13 straight so I agree that it may be better for them at this point to just get the best person possible.
     
  23. Collegewhispers

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    I think even an average coach could do better than Wheddon did. The guy was out of his depth at that level. Someone who knows how to coach a little and treat athletes well will go a long way at the program.
     
  24. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  25. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    #975 Enzo the Prince, Jan 15, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2019
    The answer about continuing to recruit is only part of it. You need someone in that position to run the office. Someone has to make sure the travel and hotels are sorted for the fall, make sure the equipment order was complete, deal with camp correspondence and enrollment, etc. Keeping an assistant on board who likely was responsible for most of this stuff in the first place makes the most sense, in most cases. Parents also get REALLY upset if there is literally nobody in a coaching capacity for any length of time. It can be construed as a Title IX violation, too.
     

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