2018 FIFA WORLD CUP QUALIFIERS - CONCACAF [R]

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  1. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    Still watching for this. If Mexico goes into the B3 -v- B4 game, and starts Monday, there would be no reason to start the double-date early. Or maybe just move the MD 6 game up a day to Monday, and that would give enough time to get to Russia. (Draw is November 26)
     
  2. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    Hex is set pretty much the usual suspects

    Honduras
    Mexico
    Costa Rica
    Panama
    USA
    TnT
     
  3. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Honduras
  4. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Half of the managers are Colombian.
     
  5. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Honduras
    Bolillo, Pinto, y Osorio

    While in South America, half the coaches are Argentine? :p
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    We'll always have Kansas City. ;)

    And hey, at least we made good use of these last two games for incorporating young talent into the squad (e.g. Damus, Désiré). Now we have to win our Caribbean Cup group next month to qualify for the next Gold Cup...and after that, figure out how/when to dump Neveu, as his player selection has been baffling even by middling Haiti NT coach standards.
     
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  7. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Group A and Group B each played 12 games without any team scoring more than 3 goals in any game. Out of the 15 Semifinal groups in qualifying for World Cups 1998 through 2014, there were only 2 groups without any team scoring more than 3 goals in any games.
     
  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Using the ELO Ratings with 100 points added for home field, I calculated the correlation between the game number and opponent's difficulty for each team. The teams are ordered from having their early games being harder (negative correlations) to their later games being harder (positive correlations):

    Mexico: -.3819
    USA: -.2379
    Costa Rica: -.1036
    Panama: .0542
    Trinidad and Tobago: .2380
    Honduras: .4325

    Honduras starts with their easiest two games, hosting Panama on Matchday 1 and hosting Trinidad and Tobago on Matchday 2. I wouldn't be surprised to see them open with two wins and then two losses because on Matchdays 3 and 4 they play at USA and home vs. Costa Rica. They have three consecutive away games starting on Matchday 5. They end with two out of three games at home, but they're against USA (home), Costa Rica (away), and Mexico (home). The first three matchdays will all have a game between two of Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica.
     
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  9. Outburstz

    Outburstz Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Country:
    United States
    Yeah I wasn't to happy to see Honduras opening with those two games. It's going to give them a quick start. Hopefully Panama and T&T can prove me wrong because if Honduras screws up those games then USA, Mexico and Costa Rica can really bury Honduras early
     
  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Panama have regularly given Honduras fits over the last decade. Just in the last WC cycle, Panama won in Honduras in the semifinal round and gutted out a 2-2 draw in the Hex. Plus, Panama's only Hex victory to date came against Honduras.
     
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  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Pinto vs. Bolillo.
    I think Pinto get's the edge.
     
  12. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    They drew at the Gold Cup...
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    As we have seen many times before the Gold Cup and Hex are very different animals.
     
  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Yes, but take into account the last decade: Panama have straight-up owned Honduras across all competitions, including eliminating them from the 2009 Copa Centroamericana on their own turf en route to winning the whole thing.

    It's just against everyone else that Honduras tend to get better results than Panama (which, you know, kinda matters in the Hex :D ).
     
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  15. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Honduras
    Couldn't tell you when the last time it was when Honduras beat Panama at the senior mens level.
     
  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I think that changes with Pinto vs. Bolillo.
     
  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Honduras has over twice as many wins against Panama as Panama has against Honduras, but a lot of that was a long time ago. Honduras has 23 wins, Panama has 11 wins, and there have been 10 draws. In the first 20 head-to-head meetings, which were played in 1995 or earlier, Honduras had 16 wins, 1 draw, and 3 losses. Since then it has been near equal with 7 Honduras wins, 8 Panama wins, and 9 draws. In the last 13 games, which were played in 2007 or later, there have been 3 Honduras wins (all in friendlies), 5 Panama wins, and 5 draws. Honduras's last win over Panama that wasn't a friendly was in the Gold Cup on July 12, 2005, but Panama finished that Gold Cup ahead of Honduras.
     
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  18. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
  19. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I have to give props to all who said Panama has Honduras' number.
    You were right.
    Bolillo was able to beat out Pinto.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    I'll take a rep, thanks. :D

    But man, Alberth Elis...you never go full Higuaín.

    T&T/CRC up next
     
  21. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Country:
    Serbia
    great panama! i want to see a world cup first timer in russia and their chances are the biggest, with only iceland and uzbekistan as other teams on the brink, after montenegro lost in armenia.

    now let t&t overcome crc and we have a wide open hex!
     
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  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Summoning @EvanJ ...have we ever had all three home teams lose in a Hex matchday before?
     
  23. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    All three home teams have lost once before. On September 1, 2001 the scores were:

    USA 2:3 Honduras
    Trinidad and Tobago 0:2 Costa Rica
    Jamaica 1:2 Mexico

    If you count games moved for the Confederations Cup as played on the date that had the two Hexagonal games not involving the team in the Confederations Cup, this was the 43rd Hexagonal matchday with 3 games. In 1997, the last two matchdays had every team play the same day, but teams played their first eight Hexagonal games on different days.
     
  24. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Country:
    Croatia
    Great start, Panama, great start! Embarrassing behavior by both sides though, I don't remember seeing so much of laying down, throwing, acting, diving.
     
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  25. Overachiever

    Overachiever Member+

    Nov 18, 2009
    Country:
    Mexico
    @TavoElTico hey will you guys be missing any players vs the US on Tuesday?
     

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