[2018 FIFA World Cup Qualification] Korea vs China 2017/03/23 [R]

According to a news article I've just read, they first met Van Marvijk, then Stielike. They basically must've had several coaches on their list and just decided to go with the second candidate. The third on the list would've been Juande Ramos! They just had to meet one more person and we probably wouldn't be struggling now. But well, the weather was nice

 

@komina12345 and @Seol Korea makes most of the good points, but here's my two cents. Van Marvijk just didn't fit what the KFA was looking for. They needed a showoff manager, one who would be going around in Korea 24/7 to show people that he was working hard, and one who would not have enough authority to challenge KFA, and Stielike was the perfect choice.

Tbh, I don't think Stielike sh*tting on K-League is that shocking, I mean the Asian league standard is pretty sh*t in general, and Halilhodzic has been very critical of J-League players too. The main problem is that as the manager he should not only be posing the questions but coming up with the answers.

 

Criticizing the K-League is one thing. We know that it isn't the greatest quality. But expressing bewilderment that Jeonbuk and Seoul could make it to the semifinals of the ACL is another. It suggests that he thinks K-League is poor quality even by Asian standards, despite the pedigree in the ACL. Not only is it insulting, but, more importantly, it suggests that he didn't even do basic research. What on earth was he going to all the domestic league matches for then? How can the manager of the NT be so ignorant about the country's league?

 

Tbf, I still think that's the journalists jumping on the bandwagon. Probs, out of context or something like that. Otherwise, why did they wait until now to make the 'expose'?

 

Actually his remark about Seoul and Jeonbuk came about few months ago (November I think). We talked about here in BSK. If I can I'll try to find it.

 

Here, it was around Oct 2016:

 

Agreed.. not entirely sure about "answers" but at least come up with some options.

As for Van Marvijk, too subjective & hypothetical. What he achieved with Saudi Arabia is great for Saudi Arabia but that doesn't mean he is good fit nor will be successive manager for KNT (w/ better result compared to any previous KNT managers). Remember, Saudi Arabia went through multiple "big" name managers til they got lucky with Van Marvijk for current cycle.

On Lippi, while it is out of topic.. only one game. China defeated Korea for the 1st time in their history but China & their clubs paid Lippi ridiculous amount of money the past decade. In comparison, Stielike is getting paid peanuts .... Unless Lippi gets China to the World Cup or continue to get good results, the praise toward him (ex - China after AC & hope they had w/ Perrin or Stielike after AC by Korean media) is too hasty. It could just be nothing but initial boost after a managerial change for China...

On KNT & Korea.. honestly, you can bring any manager in the world and I just don't think result or whatever will be drastically different. Korea/KNT is stuck in a limbo... thanks to KFA & the whole system imo. I can compare Korea to a club like Bayer Leverkusen or whatever... just one of those situation, even with good manager & talented squad (or not even good squad of players).. they are always in the same situation, yr after yr except one or two bright spots.

 

Can it be that... whoever is in charge, if under that coach Korea loses to China, we go to round of 16 in world cup..

Observation: HJM's Korea loses to China.------> HJM's Korea reaches round of 16 at WC 2010.

Stielike's Korea loses to China--------> ???

Conclusion: Stielike will take Korea to round of 16 at WC 2018.

#science.

 

How many times japan lost to china? Probably more than two.

 

I'm pretty sure he took a B/C squad to that EAFF tourney as well. Just look at the scalps we took in the buildup to the WC, with just Spain beating us 1-0 by a late goal.

 

The plan was working too. So much compliments esp compounded with fortuitous asian cup run.

 

Wow really? 9W 9L?

 

WOW Japan plays really bad against China, huh?

 

Well don't forget Japan were pretty bad for a long time. They didn't qualify for their first WC until 1998 iirc. I think if you looked at the record post-2000 or something it looks a lot better.