2018 FIFA WC QLF, AFC: Group A (4th)

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  1. HomokHarcos

    HomokHarcos Member+

    Jul 2, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well except for baseball where Japan is clearly first in Asia. But not doubt Iran is the best Asian team in football right now.
     
  2. Genghis-Khan

    Genghis-Khan Member

    Nov 15, 2016
    Singapore
    Nat'l Team:
    Mongolia
    #802 Genghis-Khan, Jun 23, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2017
    Not really.

    Firstly, your volleyball team made an Olympics debut last year and struggled there with a record of 2-4. Iran is nothing special in the world.

    Secondly, according to my Korean friend, volleyball is perceived as a girly sport in East Asia. China won the gold medal in Rio and Japan won the bronze medal in London at women's Olympic volleyball tournament.

    Lastly, I wouldn't call volleyball a major sport. The average salaries of volleyball, even the top ones isn't that high (one million dollars at most). Usually the salary for a volleyball player in a top league is approximately 1 to 2 hundred thousand dollars.

    You finished below Philippines at the last Asian Cup. By the way, basketball isn't that popular in Japan and Korea. Japan didn't have a professional league until last year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Men's_Handball_Championship
    Iran has never won the Asian championship in the sport. South Korea is by far the most successful team in Asia with 9 titles.

    These are not major team sports. Nobody cares.

    In ice hockey, Kazakhstan is the strongest team in Asia.

    In rugby, Japan is dominating Asia and they almost reached the quarter-finals at the last Rugby World Cup, the third most watched sporting event in the world. Also, their sevens rugby team finished 4th place at the Olympics last year.

    Let's stop acting as if your country were a sporting powerhouse. Unfortunately, Iran was weaker than Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan at the 2016 Olympics.
     
  3. Genghis-Khan

    Genghis-Khan Member

    Nov 15, 2016
    Singapore
    Nat'l Team:
    Mongolia
    I don't think so.

    Number of AFC players in the big five leagues.

    Japan - 15 (Spain x1, Germany x8, England x2, Italy x2, France x2)
    Australia - 7 (Germany x2 England x5)
    South Korea - 7 (Germany x3, England x3, France x1)
    Iran - 1 (Bundesliga x1, he played only 29 minutes for 18th placed club)
    North Korea - 1 (Italy x1)
    Iraq - 1 (Italy x1)
    Qatar - 1 (Spain x1)

    Your squad is still much weaker than Japan, Korea and Australia. Carlos Queiroz made your thin squad competitive in Asia. You should keep him as long as possible to continue to qualify for the finals.
     
  4. Zandi360

    Zandi360 Member+

    Dec 10, 2013
    Club:
    Sepahan
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Dont repond to the troll guys. I said it before the guy is obsessed with Iran, it's not his first account here with the same purpose. ;)

    Hes mad that Iran is far better than any Asia team right now, and has more depth than any team other than Japan
     
  5. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    It's comical beyond funny, more like sad. He's saying Iran finished below Philippines in Basketball last year, since Iran lost to her main rival China in the semi-finals and therefore that made Philippines somehow better than Iran that has more Asian titles in Baksketball than even China in the last 10 years. He's saying Iran struggled in the Olympics Vollyball by making it to the quarter finals and losing to the eventual finalist Italy. He's bringing up Korea's historic record in Handball, when we are talking about the current ranking order of Asian teams and Iran is clearly the better team with better players, several of whom are top players in Europe's best leagues.

    So yeah, arguing with this troll is like playing chess with a pigeon...
     
  6. Zandi360

    Zandi360 Member+

    Dec 10, 2013
    Club:
    Sepahan
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    If you look at his older posts (90% about Iran :D ), his arguments are practically always very poor and inconsistent although he tries very hard to sound clever, and constantly tries to divert the conversation once he is put on the spot and proven wrong.

    Right now I would much rather have several young players that are stars in top 7-10 European leagues (many that will end in top 3 leagues in upcoming years) than bunch of bottom and midtable average players in best 3 leagues. Anyone would, but this sock puppet argues like a child, "Australia has X players in big five leagues, Iran has one, Iran squad is much weaker" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    For the record, Iran's squad is worth 38,15 Million Euro on the market, while a "much better squad" like Australia is worth 28,40 Million. Trolling at its finest :D
     
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  7. Zandi360

    Zandi360 Member+

    Dec 10, 2013
    Club:
    Sepahan
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    AFC players in UEFA Champions league teams this past season (same argument as the sock puppet, but better :D ) :

    Iran: 3
    Japan: 3
    Korea: 2
    Australia: 2

    Which the best performer by far was an Iranian ;)
     
  8. HomokHarcos

    HomokHarcos Member+

    Jul 2, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are some major sports where Iran isn't the best team in Asia. Cricket (India), rugby (Japan) and baseball (Japan). But honestly those sports are probably nonexistant in Iran.
     
  9. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    While Baseball and Cricket have huge following in certain parts of the globe, they're not really international sports like Football, Basketball or even Volleyball which are played everywhere. Baseball and Cricket are practically nonexistent in Europe too, with the exception of U.K. Rugby however is very popular in Iran , but that's a new trend and it will take some time for Iran to become competitive in Rugby at a higher level. Volleyball for example only became popular in Iran in 1990's, and during 2000's, Iran was challenging China, Korea and Japan, and by 2010's, Iran was already a level above the three traditional Asian powers.
     
  10. qatarigunner

    qatarigunner Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Typical double standard Iranian fan.;)
     
  11. Zandi360

    Zandi360 Member+

    Dec 10, 2013
    Club:
    Sepahan
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Good boy, you understand my point. I respond to dumb with dumb ;) The only way to communicate with you sock puppets

    How many accounts exactly do you have here, you don't post with this account anymore? :'(
     
  12. qatarigunner

    qatarigunner Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Our unexpected early exit (we are statistically alive though) hurts me a lot.

    By the way, I swear I'm not Genghis-Khan. :D
     
  13. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The issue with regard to the article in the Economist is whether its premise that football is the “only” team sport which Iran excels at in Asia has any merit? The answer is clear: No. In fact, there are several team sports where Iran easily ranks among the top 10 in the world and where Iran’s achievements dwarf its achievements in football. They have already been mentioned by Mani and others, but let me list Iran's current ranking in each, ordered based on Iran's world ranking in them. Among these team sports, Iran's football ranking if anything still lags behind.

    Beach Soccer: Asian Ranking: #1 - World Ranking: #3.

    Futsal: Asian Ranking: #1 - World Ranking: #6

    Volleyball: Asian Ranking: #1 - World Ranking #7

    Basketball: Asian Ranking: #1 - World Ranking #25

    Football: Asian Ranking: #1 - World Ranking #30.
     
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  14. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I noticed I had made a mistake in one of the rankings, namely basketball, which I need to correct. Unlike all the other sports I had listed, in basketball Iran ranks #2 in Asia (#25 in the world). China is ranked #1 in Asia. Fixed that.
     
  15. HomokHarcos

    HomokHarcos Member+

    Jul 2, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think if handball is considered a major sport than baseball and cricket should be too.
     
  16. EPL4LIFE

    EPL4LIFE Member

    Dec 4, 2005
    #816 EPL4LIFE, Jun 25, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2017
    Quoting transfermrkt as fact.....

    Transfermkt has Aaron Mooy listed as €1m, Matt Leckie for €1.5m and Mat Ryan as €3m

    Aaron Mooy is about to move to Huddersfield for €17m, Hertha Berlin already signed Leckie for €3m and Mat Ryan just moved to Brighton for €7m.

    By your theory those 3 players alone are better than most of the Iran side put together.

    It has Jackson Irvine listed as €1m ffs

    As for the other comments. Rofl.

    Handball, Volleyball and beach soccer. Rofl.

    Cricket, Baseball and Rugby are major global sports that absolutely dwarf those listed above, they would be played by 10x the amount of people the other sports are. teams like India and Japan should be considered in that conversation.

    China are ranked like 14th basketball, no contest as the #1 in Asia with Iran, Australia is ranked 10th and would absolutely whipe the floor with the Iranian basketball team. China being ranked slightly behind is good indication of them being a fair bit better in that sport.
     
  17. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #817 Mani, Jun 25, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2017
    Here comes another sock talking out of his behind. Australia is not in Asia in Basketball, nor is China a different level than Iran. Both Iran and China are considered the top two sides in Asian Basketball, with Philippines, Korea and Lebanon the second tier challenging Iran and China. Since 2007, Iran has won the Asian FIBA title 3 times, China has won it twice. No other Asian side has won it in the modern times. Of the last 10 meetings between Iran and China in Basketball, Iran has beaten China 8 times and lost only twice. Iran also won the last meeting between the two in 2016. So if anything, Iran has had an edge over China for the last decade. The problem with Iran is, they occasionally get overconfident and lose a shocker against Korea or Philippines or even Jordan, while China never loses against those teams, hence the difference in rankings. So yes, you don't even know the basic facts about Asian Basketball and just talking out your ass.

    As for Baseball and Cricket being huge in a few countries, no doubts about it, but the vast majority of world's nations, including most of European and Asian nations neither play nor care about either sport. So no matter how popular they might be in those few countries, they're simply not international sports like Football or Basketball. Baseball is only popular in US, Canada, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Korea and Japan. That's only 6 countries in the entire world, you must be kidding if you think that makes Baseball an internationally popular sport. Cricket Is even less popular internationally with only India, Pakistan, Australia, UK and a few minor South Asian nations taking it serious.
     
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  18. EPL4LIFE

    EPL4LIFE Member

    Dec 4, 2005
    Minor South Asian nations like Bangladesh (population 161 million?)

    As well as South Africa, Zimbabwe, it's played seriously across 4 continents.

    I'm sure more countries play badminton than cricket, it doesn't make it a bigger sport.

    Top cricketers earn roughly the same money as footballers.

    The cricket World Cup and the Rugby World Cup are 2 of the most watched events in the world.

    European handball and Volleyball are Olympic sports that barely anyone cares about between Olympic Games, even at Olympic Games they are still novelty events. Hell, Rugby 7's have even surpassed them as a showpiece already.
     
  19. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #819 Mani, Jun 26, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2017
    Even Ice Hockey which is a winter sport and therefore not suitable for all regions, is still played by and watched by more nations than Cricket. Nobody who is not a former British colony cares about or watches Cricket. Just because a sport is "big" in a few populous nations, doesn't make it "internationally popular". By your piss poor logic, Kabbadi must be an internationally popular major team sport too, because it's big in India, Iran and Pakistan. Ironically, there are more internationally diverse teams in Kabbadi World Cup with US, Korea etc all taking part, than there is is Cricket World Cup with a dozen former British colony nations.

    Rugby is a different discussion and can be categorized a major team sport with wide international following , but Cricket and Baseball are not, no matter how you spin it.
     
  20. EPL4LIFE

    EPL4LIFE Member

    Dec 4, 2005
    Not all British Colonial countries play cricket.

    Ice Hockey is a big sport, certainly bigger than Volleyball and Handball ffs.

    So any sport than Iran doesn't play isn't big? Iran is a sporting backwater in an international sense.

    By your logic Surfing is one of the biggest sports in the world. A huge number of people surf, in most countries and is now an Olympic sport.
     
  21. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #821 Mani, Jun 26, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2017
    Not all British Colonial countries play cricket, but ALL those who do play Cricket and take it serious are former British Colonial countries. Just a handful of countries. Nobody else cares.

    And what on earth are you talking about? I simply pointed out the fact that the Economist article was wrong about Football being the only popular team sport in Iran, and that Iran is a top side in Asia in the major team sports. Namely Football, Basketball and Volleyball. That's a fact. But facts don't matter to butthurt socks like you.

    So listen. Go back to the hole you crawled out of. I'm not arguing with sock puppets of people from nations with inferiority complex who have to creat a dozen random sock puppets to make strawman arguments. It's funny how you, one of many socks here obsessed with Iran, is talking about Iran being a backwater in international sports. If that was the case, butthurt haters like you wouldn't go through so much trouble to make random Mongolian and Qatari socks just to talk shit about Iran. Pour the water where it burns brother. You're just mad.
     
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  22. Zandi360

    Zandi360 Member+

    Dec 10, 2013
    Club:
    Sepahan
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #822 Zandi360, Jun 26, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2017
    Im quoting transfermarkt because sock puppets here only understand that language.

    Those numbers dont mean anything, AZ Alkmaar has a 10 Million Euro price tag on Jahanbakhsh this summer, while Azmoun will leave for 15 Million minimum even while having 1 year only left on his contract.

    On paper top 4 AFC teams are very equal, no such thing as "X much better than X", except for Japan who have a lot of depth in Europe.
     
  23. Zandi360

    Zandi360 Member+

    Dec 10, 2013
    Club:
    Sepahan
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Funny how they all united here by coincidence lmao :D
     
  24. thewitness

    thewitness Member

    Melbourne Victory, Derby County
    Australia
    Jul 10, 2013
    Club:
    Derby County FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    http://www.totalsportek.com/most-popular-sports/
    You guys might like this list complied by the Total Sportek website of the world's most popular sports.
    Criteria used

    1. Global base & audience
    2. TV Viewership numbers
    3. Number Professional leagues around the world
    4. TV rights deals
    5. Endorsement & Sponsorship deals
    6. Average athlete salary in top league
    7. Biggest competition & (number of countries represented)
    8. Social media presence
    9. Prominence in sports headlines on media outlets (websites, tv)
    10. Relevancy through the year
    11. Regional dominance
    12. Gender equality
    13. Accessible to general public worldwide
    #1 Football/Soccer
    #2 Basketball
    #3 Cricket
    #4 Tennis
    #5 Athletics
    #6 Rugby
    #7 Formula 1
    #8 Boxing
    #9 Ice Hockey
    #10 Volleyball
    #11 Golf:
    #12 Baseball
    #13 American Football
    #14 MMA
    #15 MotoGP
    #16 Field Hockey
    #17 Badminton
    #18 Cycling
    #19 Swimming
    #20 Snooker
    #21 Table Tennis
    #22 Gymnastics
    #23 Handball
    #24 Wrestling
    #25 Skiing
    #26 Horse Racing


    Any way congratulations to Iran being the first team to Russia, hopefully they get a friendly draw and can make it through to the 2nd round.

    There are talks here in Australia of the possibility of a friendly vs Iran in March next year, and also of Queiroz being considered to take up the Socceroos job after the World Cup.
    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...-frame-for-socceroos-job-20170619-gwu2xd.html

     
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  25. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #825 Mani, Jun 26, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2017
    Coincidentally the same time zones too, all from Australia.

    They're all the same guy who originates from a backwater under the shadow of Iran, but now lives in Australia and yet still sufferes from a sever case of inferiority complex.
     
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