2018 & 2022 World Cup Bids - Pre/During/Post Announcement

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Caesar, Dec 2, 2010.

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  1. bunkmedal

    bunkmedal Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
    For a start, none of the proposed Australian host cities were located in NT or anywhere close to Indonesia - the closest was Townsville which is 2,000 - 3,000 miles away from the main population centres in Indonesia (as opposed to New Zealand which is a little over 1,000 miles away from the 7 host cities located on the south-east coast). Even in your fairly obnoxious attempt to try and be clever you've fallen flat on your face.

    Second it's completely irrelevant whether Indonesia or New Zealand are closer to the host cities in Australia. They're both exceptionally long distances away, whilst Qatar has large population centres on its doorstep. Being 1,000 miles away (and across an ocean) from a football stadium is somewhat different to being a 5 hour drive away. It's a very, very simple point and I have no idea why you (and seemingly countless others) have a problem understanding it.
     
  2. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/05122010/58/london-2012-mayor-cancels-fifa-london-2012-rooms.html

    :D


    Bravo....
     
  3. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    The organisation is left to the hosts.
    Its got to a point where they do nothing apart from take money and make up rules.
     
  4. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member+

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    Good point, generally, but last time they did make some contributions. Via MATCH, they organised ticketing, which was catastrophically bad, and meddled with the accommodation, in order to make it difficult for fans to book anything.
     
  5. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well, they can't even make up rules without the say so of at least 2 representatives of the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland)
     
  6. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    England and Brasil are possibly the two best-supported teams in the world. Looks like a lot of England fans in that video; not sure how many actually live in Qatar...
     
  7. hottentotspur redded

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    PSV Eindhoven
    Sepp Blatter should be removed as fast as possible, don't care how.
     
  8. CheeseAndOatcakes

    CheeseAndOatcakes New Member

    Aug 20, 2008
    Staffordshire
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
  9. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's the Sun....anything they print has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

    If there is any truth in the matter, they'd need more big hitters, Get Spain, Italy and Holland on board, and others would follow. Problem is.....Italy and corruption go hand in hand. They'd probably come in if they could see a benefit power wise, rather than for the good of the game.
     
  10. CheeseAndOatcakes

    CheeseAndOatcakes New Member

    Aug 20, 2008
    Staffordshire
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Oh yes I agree about the sun but in all honesty I'm on a slow link and couldn't be bothered trying to find something more respectable.
     
  11. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Interesting piece in the grauniad...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/dec/06/qatar-world-cup-human-rights

    Criticism of Qatar's victory is not just correct, it is highly necessary. Unfortunately, it has been misdirected. While concerns over women's rights and attitudes to homosexuality (not to mention the irresponsible lunacy of air-conditioning the desert) are entirely valid, there has been no meaningful criticism of what is by far the most problematic aspect of Qatar 2022: the systematic exploitation of the country's migrant workforce and the possible enslavement of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of impoverished south Asian migrant workers, who will be imported to meet the demands of a construction sector expected to swell twentyfold from $5bn to $100bn over the next 12 years.

    Migrant workers constitute approximately 70% of Qatar's population of 1.4 million and a significant number of these are unskilled and semi-skilled workers from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. The treatment of workers in the construction sector in Qatar is as exploitative as the well-publicised abuse of migrant workers in its glitzy neighbour, the United Arab Emirates.

    Workers arrive in the country heavily indebted, having borrowed from moneylenders or mortgaged their land to finance inflated travel and visa costs. Their passports are immediately and customarily confiscated and they are typically forced to sign a revised contract that pays them a significantly lower rate than was originally agreed.

    Strikes and trade unions are expressly banned, and the labour and immigration status of migrants is regulated by the kafala system, which ties each worker to one employer in a highly dependent relationship. The results are depressingly familiar: unpaid wages, inhumane living conditions, unsafe working conditions and suicides.

    Qatar, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, has been referred to as a "death trap for hundreds of thousands of construction workers" from some of the poorest countries in the world. Female domestic workers, meanwhile, are not covered by national labour law – an omission which, as Amnesty International rightly pointed out, "allows employers to exploit, enslave, abuse, assault and injure their domestic workers with virtual impunity". There is a strong argument for saying that in the worst cases of abuse, the treatment of migrant workers constitutes slavery in international law.


    Unfortunately, this will probably be moved or deleted by moderators who seem more interested in childish personal vendettas against individuals than anything else. :(
     
  12. bunkmedal

    bunkmedal Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
    I don't think anything major is going to happen to be honest. They might get enough support for minor changes to the bidding process like earlier eliminations (which would stop countries wasting so much money on campaigns they're never going to win). Personally, I think that would be a good idea.
     
  13. PanchoM

    PanchoM Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    PalmsPlace
    Russia was a good choice .
    Qatar was a terrible choice. A fukcing Monarchy ? :mad:
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good thing England did not get it! :D

    BTW, Japan has an emperor, Netherlands has a queen, and Spain has a king.


    I know you meant to say absolute monarchy.
     
  15. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Don't forget us, we're a monarchy as well.
     
  16. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is actually a lot more countries with Monarchs than people realize.
     
  17. PanchoM

    PanchoM Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    PalmsPlace
    Monarchy, heads of state . Kinda like Luis XIV ? :D
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude, where do you live???? Do you have any idea how UNimpressive these numbers are???

    This is a big, big point. What is there to do between games? Nothing that can't be done in any major city in the world...go to touristy restaurants and night clubs.
     
  19. ForcaPortugal86

    ForcaPortugal86 New Member

    Dec 2, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
  20. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He's also omitting to mention that Riyadh is actually about 6-7 hours away and that 80% of the population of UAE are foreign nationals so probably won't be allowed, (or interested), in going anyway. Of course, of the 1.5 million that ARE UAE nationals about half will be women so quite how their husbands, fathers, brothers, etc., will feel about them being exposed in large numbers to any westerners, (at least, the sort that go to football matches), out there remains to be seen.
    Make sand castles?
     
  21. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I doubt your average England fan is looking for significant cultural attractions to visit between games, but maybe other fans are different. I would have thought the relative lack of alcohol and women might be a bigger issue for many.
     
  22. CheeseAndOatcakes

    CheeseAndOatcakes New Member

    Aug 20, 2008
    Staffordshire
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Your own stereotyping is where you fail.

    Don't judge the masses by the minority.
     
  23. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Er.... I might be wrong but, if memory serves, he's English mate.

    I doubt he's too far off the mark as well.
     
  24. CheeseAndOatcakes

    CheeseAndOatcakes New Member

    Aug 20, 2008
    Staffordshire
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    He must have a big brush to tar us all with the same image either way!

    Although Russia sounds like it could be interesting I'm not sure I could say the same of Qatar.
     
  25. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Most common Saud's won't be taking their wives, they would leave them at home...and those that will, are probably the wealthier sort that are probably a bit more liberal, educated abroad and have probably already exposed their wives to cities like Paris, NY and LA as well already so they have been exposed to western civilization.
     

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