News: 2018-19 UEFA Champions League draw: The Road to Madrid (Metropolitano) [R]

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  1. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
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    #1 unclesox, Aug 25, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2018
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    With the second legs of the the playoff round still to be played the four pots for the group stage draw are yet to be fully known.
    But we do know 26 of the 32 clubs that will make up the group stage. Most of them are confirmed in specific pots for the draw while others are in limbo.
    Here's how the pots look going into the Playoff round second leg matches.

    Teams in red are involved in the Playoff matches.

    POT 1
    Real Madrid
    Atlético Madrid
    FC Barcelona
    Bayern Munich
    Juventus
    Paris Saint-Germain
    Manchester City
    Lokomotiv Moscow

    POT 2
    Borussia Dortmund
    FC Porto
    Manchester United
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Benfica
    Napoli
    Tottenham Hotspur
    AS Roma

    POT 2 or 3
    Liverpool
    * Liverpool,.Dynamo Kiev and Schalke all have the same coefficient score over the past five-season period.
    I believe the tiebreak is their score from the most recent season which, in this case, goes to Liverpool.


    POT 3
    Dynamo Kiev
    Schalke 04
    Olympique Lyon
    AS Monaco
    RB Salzburg
    Ajax

    CSKA Moscow
    PSV Eindhoven

    POT 3 or 4
    Valencia
    Viktoria Plzen
    PAOK Thessaloniki
    * PAOK, Galatasaray and Brugge all have the same coefficient score over the past five-season period.
    I believe the tiebreak is their score from the most recent season. In this case PAOK and Galatasaray have the same score. If we go back two seasons the nod will go to PAOK so I'm placing them as the team in limbo until we hear otherwise.


    POT 4
    Galatasaray
    Club Brugge
    BSC Young Boys
    BATE Borisov
    Dinamo Zagreb

    Internazionale
    Hoffenheim
    Red Star Belgrade
    AEK Athens
    MOL Videoton
     
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  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Didn't know the EL winner automatically gets a top seed. Is that new?

    Anyway, big upset by PAOK in Lisbon means Liverpool may get in pot 2 after all.
     
  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

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    Atletico are in Pot 1 based on their coefficient score, which ranks second only to LPB.
     
  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    No, they don't use coefficients to determine the composition of pot 1. Its reserved for the champions of the top leagues, and CL winner. And I guess also EL champion.
     
  5. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

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    Yes, confirmed with a citation (albeit to Wikipedia, but a very well written and edited article).
    What is interesting in terms of coefficients is how close Russia, in 6th (50.532), is to Portugal in 7th (49.332), for that very important Pot 1 spot. Porto in pot 2 as champions has 86.0 points while Lokomotiv Moscow has 22.5 but sits in Pot 1 as Russian champs.
     
  6. BocaFan

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  7. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

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    Ah, I guess I stand corrected then. :).
     
  8. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

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    I think I know what the difference is, the one you linked to is most relevant for next season, as it includes this current 18/19 season. Whereas the one I linked to (as part of the big Wikipedia article) ignores the 18/19 season and instead includes the 13/14 season. That is what was used to place Russia just ahead of Portugal for this year's all important categories (3 teams in UCL and Champion team in Pot 1). So my link looks backwards one extra season as that is how things were determined for the 18/19 season, whereas your link shows the gap betwen Russia and Portugal is actually widening as Russia doing better in 18/19, and also, we can conclude Portugal did better in 13/14 but that year drops out going forward.

    Point is neither link is wrong, but yours is more important in terms of showing if a change might occur next season, and the answer there is it looks very unlikely (at least in terms of 6th place changing).
     
  9. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
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    The situation following Tuesday's Playoff results.

    Teams in red are still to play on Wednesday.

    POT 1
    Real Madrid
    Atlético Madrid
    FC Barcelona
    Bayern Munich
    Juventus
    Paris Saint-Germain
    Manchester City
    Lokomotiv Moscow

    POT 2
    Borussia Dortmund
    FC Porto
    Manchester United
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Benfica
    Napoli
    Tottenham Hotspur
    AS Roma

    POT 2 or 3
    Liverpool
    * Liverpool,.Dynamo Kiev and Schalke all have the same coefficient score over the past five-season period.
    I believe the tiebreak is their score from the most recent season which, in this case, goes to Liverpool.


    POT 3
    Schalke 04
    Olympique Lyon
    AS Monaco
    RB Salzburg
    Ajax
    CSKA Moscow
    PSV Eindhoven

    POT 3 or 4
    Valencia
    Viktoria Plzen
    PAOK Thessaloniki
    * PAOK, Galatasaray and Brugge all have the same coefficient score over the past five-season period.
    I believe the tiebreak is their score from the most recent season. In this case PAOK and Galatasaray have the same score. If we go back two seasons the nod will go to PAOK so I'm placing them as the team in limbo until we hear otherwise.


    POT 4
    Galatasaray
    Club Brugge
    BSC Young Boys
    BATE Borisov
    Internazionale
    Hoffenheim
    Red Star Belgrade
    AEK Athens
     
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  10. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

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    Well the pots are not set till later today, but the teams still working to get in today are 400:1 or longer odds, so not really seen as a threat. Here are the longest available odds to win it all (from looking at Oddschecker which provides odds from over a dozen online bookies), starting with the favorites and working down, pre-draw. Once the draw comes out I will re-visit to see whose odds got shorter or longer based on the draw.

    Longest Odds to Win it All:
    ManCity 6
    Barca 6.5
    Juve 7.5
    PSG 8
    Bayern 9
    Real 9
    Liverpool 14
    Atletico 16
    Tottenham 25
    ManU 25
    Napoli 40
    Inter 50
    Roma 66
    Dortmund 66
    Valencia 200
    Porto 250
    Lyon 250
    Monaco 250
    Ajax 250
    Shaktar 250
    Schalke 300
    *Benfica 400
    Galatasaray 400
    *PSV 400
    Hoffenheim 500
    CSKA Moscow 500
    *Salzburg 500
    AEK Athens 700
    Lokomotiv Moscow 750
    Brugge 1000
    Young Boys 1000
    **PAOK 2000
    Plzen 2500

    * Means still playing today but favored to advance today.
    ** Playing today but not favored to advance, no odds listed for BATE or Red Star Belgrade but if they manage to advance they'll be like 2500.

    Source: https://www.oddschecker.com/football/champions-league/winner
     
  11. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

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    @unclesox is away from the internet so I am updating in his absence. The situation following Wednesday's Playoff results. The pots are now all set, the draw will be tomorrow at 17:30 CEST which is 8:30 a.m. for west coast, 11:30 a.m. for east coast of USA.

    POT 1
    Real Madrid
    Atlético Madrid
    FC Barcelona
    Bayern Munich
    Juventus
    Paris Saint-Germain
    Manchester City
    Lokomotiv Moscow

    POT 2
    Borussia Dortmund
    FC Porto
    Manchester United
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Benfica - advanced over PAOK Salonika so Liverpool in Pot 3 like last year
    Napoli
    Tottenham Hotspur
    AS Roma

    POT 3
    Liverpool
    Schalke 04
    Olympique Lyon
    AS Monaco
    Ajax
    CSKA Moscow
    PSV Eindhoven - advanced over BATE Borisov
    Valencia - moved up due to Red Star's comeback victory over RB Salzburg

    POT 4
    Viktoria Plzen
    Galatasaray
    Club Brugge
    BSC Young Boys
    Internazionale
    Hoffenheim
    AEK Athens
    Red Star Belgrade aka Crvena Zvezda - advanced on away goals in Salzburg, first time in CL Group Stage but they are a former European Cup Champion (1991 over Marseille in the "most boring cup final ever")
     
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  12. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

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    "Death Group" could be Inter from Pot 4, Liverpool from Pot 3 (Valencia too), but Pot 2 doesn't have many truly fearsome teams, as top 6 favorites, and 7 of 8 (all but Liverpool) are in Group 1 this year.
     
  13. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, I could see several pot 3 teams reaching the knockout stage. I would say pot 3 is slightly stronger than pot 2 actually. :laugh:

    Unlikely (impossible) we will see any killer group since Inter is the only difficult team in pot 4, and if they get Liverpool from pot 3 than that eliminates all the real tough possibilities from pot 2.

    Group of Death: Inter, Ajax, Spurs, Barca

    Most competitive: Inter, Ajax, Man Utd, Atletico
    :geek:
     
  14. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

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    Road to Baku (Azerbaijan) where the Europa final is taking place, lots of 2nd legs taking place tomorrow, then the draw will be Friday I believe. These are the early top ten favorites, the odds are longer as 3rd place CL teams will be added after the group stage, which makes predicting harder.

    Top Ten Favorites for Europa Championship:
    Chelsea 7
    Arsenal 9
    *Sevilla 18
    Bayer 20
    AC Milan 20
    RB Leipzig 25
    Lazio 25
    Marseille 30
    Villarreal 30
    Real Betis 33

    *Plays tomorrow.
    I should note that teams which just missed out on the CL today and yesterday have just been added to the Europa, oddschecker is not showing them yet though, but a club like RB Salzburg might crack the top ten when they are added.

    Pot 1
    Arsenal CC: 93.00
    Chelsea CC: 82.000
    Bayer Leverkusen CC: 66.000
    Dynamo Kyiv CC: 62.000
    Red Bull Salzburg CC: 55.500
    Villarreal CC: 52.0
    Anderlecht CC: 48.000
    add Sevilla if they qualify tomorrow
     
  15. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

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    First two players introduced to conduct the UEFA draw: Diego Forlan and Kaka... two South Americans. :rolleyes:
     
  16. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

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    #16 unclesox, Aug 30, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2018
    POT 1
    Paris Saint-Germain - C
    Real Madrid - G
    Bayern Munich - E
    FC Barcelona - B
    Atlético Madrid - A
    Juventus - H
    Manchester City - F
    Lokomotiv Moscow - D

    GROUP A
    Atlético Madrid

    GROUP B
    FC Barcelona

    GROUP C
    Paris Saint-Germain

    GROUP D
    Manchester City

    GROUP E
    Bayern Munich

    GROUP F
    Lokomotiv Moscow

    GROUP G
    Real Madrid

    GROUP H
    Juventus
     
  17. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

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    #17 unclesox, Aug 30, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2018
    POT 2
    FC Porto - D
    AS Roma - G
    Manchester United - H
    Borussia Dortmund - A
    Shakhtar Donetsk - F
    Tottenham Hotspur - B
    Benfica - E
    Napoli - C

    GROUP A
    Atlético Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund

    GROUP B
    FC Barcelona
    Tottenham Hotspur

    GROUP C
    Paris Saint-Germain
    Napoli

    GROUP D
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    FC Porto

    GROUP E
    Bayern Munich
    Benfica

    GROUP F
    Manchester City
    Shakhtar Donetsk

    GROUP G
    Real Madrid
    AS Roma

    GROUP H
    Juventus
    Manchester United
     
  18. puyol

    puyol Member+

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    Dec 24, 2009
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    Lokomotive and Porto .... already predicting that it will be the crappiest group of the CL this season :whistling:
     
  19. puyol

    puyol Member+

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    great ... we got the strongest team in pot 2 , Tottenham ... well at least we won't be able to get Liverpool from pot 3 now
     
  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, that's why I'm glad we didn't get Napoli when it came down to those 2. Napoli + Liverpool would've been tough.
     
  21. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
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    Will edit post as Pot 3 is being drawn.

    POT 3
    Olympique Lyon - F
    CSKA Moscow - G
    Schalke 04 - D
    Valencia - H
    PSV Eindhoven - B
    Ajax Amsterdam - E
    AS Monaco - A
    Liverpool - C

    GROUP A
    Atlético Madrid
    Borussia Dortmund
    AS Monaco

    GROUP B
    FC Barcelona
    Tottenham Hotspur
    PSV Eindhoven

    GROUP C
    Paris Saint-Germain
    Napoli
    Liverpool

    GROUP D
    Lokomotiv Moscow
    FC Porto
    Schalke 04

    GROUP E
    Bayern Munich
    Benfica
    Ajax Amsterdam

    GROUP F
    Manchester City
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Olympique Lyon

    GROUP G
    Real Madrid
    AS Roma
    CSKA Moscow

    GROUP H
    Juventus
    Manchester United
    Valencia
     
  22. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
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    Group D: Lokomotiv Moscow, FC Porto, Schalke

    What's the opposite of a group of death?

    But Schalke will probably qualify so it will be a battle between the pot 1 and 2 at least, yay, parity?
     
  23. puyol

    puyol Member+

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    Dec 24, 2009
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    Group D , what a joke lmao

    like group H though , already Man U, Juve and Valencia
     
  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    PSV

    Good draw for Barca so far
     
  25. BocaFan

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    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Group C looks tasty! PSG, Napoli, Liverpool
     

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