2017 Season's 22,000 average attendance watch thread

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by firefan2001, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe it will happen this year. I'm going with a 22,400 average this year. Well at the very least I think we will break the 8,000,000 mark (21,391).
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm predicting 21,318 based on drops in attendances for NYC, Orlando, Colorado, Montreal, Columbus, DCU, Chicago, Vancouver, Red Bulls, LA Galaxy and Houston, offset by increases at Toronto and Dallas plus the newbies.

    In saying that I was in a relegation playoff spot in the attendance prediction table.

    NYCFC: 22,000
    Seattle: 42,636
    Orlando: 25,500
    Toronto FC: 27,000
    LA Galaxy: 24,000
    Vancouver: 22,000
    Portland: 21,144
    Montreal Impact: 20,000
    New York RB: 20,000
    NE Revolution: 19,500
    San Jose Earthquakes: 19,000
    Real Salt Lake: 19,759
    Sporting KC: 19,597
    Houston Dynamo: 17,000
    Columbus Crew: 17,000
    DC United: 17,000
    Colorado Rapids: 16,200
    Chicago Fire: 13,500
    FC Dallas: 15,676
    Atlanta: 30,000
    Minnesota: 22,000
     
  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Season ticket holders will be ~85% of all attendees in Atlanta? They're currently at 25,000. I don't know how much higher it will go, but it's not out of the question to see the STH number reach 30,000 by itself. I expect the first game at the new stadium to have 60,000 people.
     
  5. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philadelphia 18,000
    *-Capacity will PROBABLY increase again this year.
    **-I'm going low on this one, like The Franchise said they might have 30,000 STH's by the start of the season. It wouldn't shock me if they would get to Seattle Sounders numbers.
    ***-Also going low on this one, it wouldn't surprise me if they are in the 25,000+ range at seasons end.

    Either way it's going to be another GREAT attendance season this year, we will get over 8,000,000 mark this year.
     
  6. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and a full house at Bobby Dodd Stadium (capacity 55,000). As for first game at Mercedes -Benz Stadium I believe it will be FULL also 71,000+.

    So they'll have 126,000+ for only two games, so it would shock me if they get Seattle Sounders numbers this year,
     
  7. matbluvenger

    matbluvenger Member+

    Reno 1868
    United States
    Aug 2, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know, I think they're riding that hype train hard in terminus.

    Not only do I predict Atlanta will have a significantly higher average, but I think they might give Seattle a run for their money or even knock Seattle down a peg.

    Either way, I think the final averages of the two will be within 2k of each other
     
  8. Hamburgler03

    Hamburgler03 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 31, 2000
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice to have confirmation on what had generally been assumed based on the FO's actions. I'm not entirely sure why they'd cap season tickets at 30,000, but maybe that's where they estimate they will end up and want to speed up the process by suggesting scarcity.
     
  10. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my efforts to get to every stadium, I got my tickets for ORL new stadium on a Saturday vs. COL, then get up Sunday morning and fly to ATL to see a game at Bobby Dodd in the great outdoors. I saw ORL at Camping world on the turf in their first year and their massive purple crowds, but had to come back for the new grass field stadium. As for ATL, will see them vs. DC- wanted to see outdoor game on grass, I will be in no rush to see a game in an NFL=DOME=TURF stadium (sorry). That stadium should be around awhile and I will hit it when i go to Miami (;)) to see Beckham FC or on the way to see DC if and when they come on line . Heck, Minnesota will probably get done before them...
     
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  11. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    8,228,000 is what we need to get to a 22,000 average this year.

    WeekTotalAverage
    #1....252,2998,228,000-252,299=7,975,701/363=21,972 to average 22,000
     
  12. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. whiteonrice04

    whiteonrice04 Member+

    Sep 8, 2006
    Team has officially announced they have over 30k season tickets. Other sources have stated it is currently over 33k. Don't have links handy.
    Atlanta will for sure average over 40k.
     
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  14. whiteonrice04

    whiteonrice04 Member+

    Sep 8, 2006
  15. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Stop trying to jinx it! :mad:
     
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  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Meanwhile today's Chicago Fire match is supposed to be a brisk 27 degress or so at kickoff...
    ...which will more than likely mean the stadium will have more people on the field than in the stands.
     
  17. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't worry our FO is a bunch of liars, even thou you won't see many butts in the seats they will announce a BS number (16,000-17,000).
     
  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Hooray inflated numbers.
    #Fakeattendancenews.
     
  19. whiteonrice04

    whiteonrice04 Member+

    Sep 8, 2006
    #notMyAttendance
     
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Official Fire attendance....
    ...13024.

     
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  21. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    8,228,000 is what we need to get to a 22,000 average this year.

    WeekTotalAverage
    #2....217,4547,975,701-217,454=7,758,247/353=21,978 to average 22,000
     
  22. BakedAlaskan

    BakedAlaskan Member+

    Feb 28, 2002
    Ancho-RAGE,Alaska
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So by those numbers, if we average 22,000 per match for the rest of the season, we'll average 22,000 per match for the season.
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By 2019 only 9/23 stadiums will have an official capacity > 22,039, so not only is 22k going to be difficult to attain, it will be difficult to maintain.
     
  24. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, we only need to average 21,978 rest of the season to average 22,000 for the season.:p
     
  25. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I don't think that's going to be the obstacle. For DCU it's not like they're packing in more than 22k of late, and if NYCFC ever leaves Yankee Stadium I feel safe in assuming they'll build over 25k. Meanwhile MNUFC should at least draw near their 19K+ capacity such that they won't be the anchor weighing the league down, as it were. Plus the Loons could always play the occasional game at TFC Stadium to help boost numbers, a la San Jose. Thus, if more teams drew nearer to their capacities then even with so many teams below 22k it would allow the impact of the bigger teams to more easily bring the average up.

    More importantly, though, I think the two attendance numbers that are just as/more critical than overall average:

    - The number of games with < 15k people. Shows advertising partners they'll get a nicer minimum crowd interface every game, and likely means better atmospheres and experiences for fans more often rather than just a few key games.

    - The number of teams below 17k for average. In years past we would've said 14k or 15k, and thankfully this keeps going up. More importantly, based on various past reports ~ 17k seems to be the benchmark by which teams are turning the corner financially.

    If those two figures are low then even if the league average is under 22k it likely means that a) the average is a true average and not heavily influenced by a few big teams/games, and that b) more and more MLS teams are drawing well and trending toward profitability.
     

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