2017 Off-Season Thread, Rumors, Player Movement, Expansion Draft Oh My!

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  1. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
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    2014 Expansion Draft Rules

    • MLS clubs may protect 11 players between their Senior Roster and their Supplemental Roster. If the player’s contract expires at the end of 2014, he will still be considered part of the club’s roster.

    • If a club protects a player, it is not obligated to exercise the player’s option. It may renegotiate subject to terms of the CBA.

    • If a player retires, he will not be a part of the club’s roster, but his club will lose its right of first refusal to him should he ultimately decide to play.

    • Players on a club’s Supplemental Roster, other than Generation adidas players who have not been graduated at the end of the 2014 MLS season or Homegrown Players on a club’s Supplemental Roster, will be part of the expansion draft.

    • Generation adidas players who have not been graduated at the end of the 2014 MLS season and Homegrown Players on a club’s Supplemental Roster at the end of the 2014 MLS season are automatically protected (clubs do not have to use a protected slot on them).

    • If NYCFC or Orlando City SC selects a Supplemental Roster Player, it must offer him a Senior Roster position and he must remain on the Senior Roster as of Roster Compliance Date.

    • Clubs are restricted in the number of International Player(s) that they may make available. Clubs may make available a number of International Players equal to their total number of International Players minus three, provided that if a club has three or fewer International Players it may make available not more than one. (See table below).

    • For purposes of this expansion process, any non-domestic U.S. players will count as an International.

    • Designated Players are NOT automatically protected (i.e., clubs must choose whether to protect such players and if such player is not protected, he will be available for selection in the Expansion Draft). However, if the Designated Player has a no-trade clause in his contract, then his MLS club must protect him and he will count as one of the 11 players who may be protected.

    • Once two players have been claimed from a team’s non-protected roster, that team is eliminated from the expansion draft and may not lose any further players. In addition, once a player has been claimed from a club’s non-protected roster, that club may move a player from its non-protected roster to its protected roster.

    • Right to Negotiate: NYCFC and Orlando City SC will have the right to renegotiate a draft player’s salary (either up or down) without having to place such player on waivers or giving his previous club a right of first refusal.

    • Rounds: The expansion draft will consist of 10 rounds.

    For the purposes of this thread - let's assume until told otherwise that the rules from 2 years ago will stand.
    So...who makes your 11?
     
  2. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assuming Blake is still a GA and Barnetta leaves:

    1. Rosenberry
    2. Fabinho
    3. Marquez
    4. Bedoya
    5. Pontius
    6. Ilsinho
    7. Sapong
    8. Davies
    9. Ayuk
    10. Alberg
    11.Tribbet

    I'd dare a team to pick Edu after missing the entire season due to injury. I'd expect Gaddis and maybe Tribbet to be picked. Alternatively, Ayuk could be left to dangle, but I rate him too high to risk losing him.

    I'd consider leaving Ilsinho unprotected due to injuries and salary potentially scaring the two teams off.
     
  3. Amscray

    Amscray Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Aug 24, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. M'Bolhi
    2. M'Bolhi
    3. M'Bolhi
    4. M'Bolhi
    5. M'Bolhi
    6. M'Bolhi
    7. M'Bolhi
    8. M'Bolhi
    9. M'Bolhi
    10. The rights to Zlatan
    11. Sideshow Bob
     
  4. Handsome Pete

    Handsome Pete Member+

    May 16, 2011
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like when there is an expansion draft. Because you can never have too many drafts.
     
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  5. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    1. Rosenberry
    2. Alberg
    3. Pontius
    4. Marquez
    5. Sapong
    6. Fabinho
    7. Bedoya
    8. Davies
    9. Creavalle
    10. Ilsinho
    11. Tribbett
    I think Edu, his 2016 season, and salary can hang out there. Let's assume the GA status of Blake, Herbers, and Yaro are still good and keep them automatically exempt.

    Serious question ... what about HGPs, are they also automatically protected?
    Not so serious question ... this is also where a player's international roster spot comes into play, right?
     
  6. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    #6 Phillyspur, Sep 1, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2016

    Fabinho
    Marquez
    Rosenberry
    Alberg
    Bedoya
    Sapong
    Pontius
    Davies
    Ilsinho
    Creavalle
    Ayuk

    Last few are kind of in order of probability. First 7-8 were just going down the roster and would be hard to replace. I chose Ayuk over Tribbett, though we would need CB cover if he was picked and Anderson as we expect is also gone. CB aren't hard to find though.

    A lot of our roster is... dispensable... Matt Jones, McCarthy, Gaddis, Anderson, Fernandes, Restrepo, Carroll, Edu
     
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  7. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    B-b-b-b-ut Trusty and Jones weren't HGPs at the end of the 2014 season ...
     
  8. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel like you can say that about most MLS rosters
     
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  9. WVUPharm2007

    WVUPharm2007 Member+

    Jul 24, 2011
    Montgomery Township, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm calling it now...Gaddis will be the Fabinho of this year's expansion draft. They will protect him over someone like Tribbett or Ayuk and the internet will flip out. But from a moneyball perspective, he's an average MLS fullback that can give you depth with a lot of league experience on both sides and doesn't cost that much money.
     
  10. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I'm surprised so many people want to protect Tribbett.
     
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  11. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I think Earnie will try and move guys prior to the draft if he can so there's less to lose, but my bet would be the following are protected:

    Rosenberry
    Fabinho
    Marquez
    Bedoya
    Ilsinho
    Sapong
    Davies
    Alberg
    Gaddis
    Creavalle
    Ayuk

    I left off Barnetta, Blake, and Pontius but there's probably a pretty good chance that at least one of those guys stays with us after this year and would knock Creavalle or Ayuk off the list.
     
  12. Handsome Pete

    Handsome Pete Member+

    May 16, 2011
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He keeps things interesting.
     
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  13. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm surprised so many people want to protect Ayuk.
     
  14. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I just think he has value as a developing young player. Didn't they pay like $200K for his rights just this offseason?
     
  15. Handsome Pete

    Handsome Pete Member+

    May 16, 2011
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But he does flips!
     
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  16. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    as opposed to...?


    like it was said before in this thread, after the first 9 or 10, its slim pickins
     
  17. djramone

    djramone Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  18. buzzkiller23

    buzzkiller23 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Glenolden, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way would I protect Tribbett. Even if you like him as a project, no one else in the league does.
     
  19. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. I flipped a coin, it came up heads, Tribbett was on my list.
     
  20. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    1. Rosenberry
    2. Marquez
    3. Pontius
    4. T Washington
    5. Sapong
    6. Ilsinho
    7. Alberg
    8. Bedoya
    9. Fabinho
    10. Davies
    11. Tribbett
    I kept Tribbett over Ayuk, due to into spot. If I had a "reach", it's Washington . If LB is such a hard spot to fill, don't want to give away a cheap decent one. Everyone else is older, expensive or out of contract. I'd love for ATL to grab Edu.
     
  21. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FFS MLS rules are so convoluted.
     
  22. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    We'd have way less fun talking about them if we actually understood them.
     
  23. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're also comparing a player who has started vs. a player who has not even made the 18.
     
  24. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Walter Restrepo makes the 18 and actually plays Ayuk's position. Would you keep him over Ayuk?

    Although when your backup behind Tribbett is Anderson, it does make a lot of sense to keep Tribs. I think he's an OK starter when he's not facing speed.
     
  25. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    It would really suck if Edu has a no trade clause and we have to protect a guy we will let go a month later. Although,honestly it would mean losing a Tribbett or Ayuk. Hardly the difference between a good or bad season.
     

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