2017 MLS Week 2 Referee Discussion

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  1. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    03/11/2017

    Chicago Fire v Real Salt Lake
    Toyota Park (2:00pm ET)
    REF: KEVIN STOTT
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Peter Balciunas
    4TH: Nima Saghafi

    New England Revolution v Orlando City
    Gillette Stadium (2:00pm ET)
    REF: JORGE GONZALEZ
    AR1: Andrew Bigelow
    AR2: Jose Da Silva
    4TH: Alex Chilowicz

    New York Red Bulls v Colorado Rapids
    Red Bull Arena (4:00pm ET)
    REF: ROBERT SIBIGA
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Richard Gamache
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira

    Philadelphia Union v Toronto FC
    Talen Energy Stadium (4:30pm ET)
    REF: MARK GEIGER
    AR1: Logan Brown
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4TH: Jose Carlos Rivero

    Montreal Impact v Seattle Sounders
    Olympic Stadium (7:00pm ET)
    REF: JAIR MARRUFO
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Brian Poeschel
    4TH: Geoff Gamble

    Houston Dynamo v Columbus Crew
    BBVA Compass Stadium (8:30pm ET)
    REF: CHRIS PENSO
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: Nick Uranga
    4TH: Daniel Radford

    Sporting Kansas City v FC Dallas
    Children's Mercy Park (9:00pm ET)
    REF: SORIN STOICA
    AR1: Claudiu Badea
    AR2: Jonathan Johnson
    4TH: Allen Chapman

    San Jose Earthquakes v Vancouver Whitecaps
    Avaya Stadium (10:00pm ET)
    REF: DREW FISCHER
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: Daniel Belleau
    4TH: Alejandro Mariscal

    03/12/2017

    New York City v D.C. United
    Yankee Stadium (2:00pm ET)
    REF: ALAN KELLY
    AR1: Matt Nelson
    AR2: Philippe Briere
    4TH: Mark Kadlecik

    Minnesota United v Atlanta United
    TCF Bank Stadium (5:00pm ET)
    REF: ISMAIL ELFATH
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Corey Parker
    4TH: Fotis Bazakos

    LA Galaxy v Portland Timbers
    StubHub Center (7:00pm ET)
    REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Eduardo Mariscal
    4TH: Ricardo Salazar

    http://www.proreferees.com/2017-mls-regular-season-assignments---week-2.php
     
  2. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    I'll be at this game. Forecast is for snow likely with a high of 33. Welcome to outdoor sports in Minnesota in March.
     
  3. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a home game for Bazakos.
     
  4. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    New advantage signal, courtesy of Kevin Stott

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  5. ArgylleRef

    ArgylleRef Member

    Jan 23, 2004
    Lansing, KS
    I don't think that's advantage, I think Stott's saying no offside keep going because the defender last played the ball.
     
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  6. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with this. How could Stott call advantage if there's no foul?

    Also, it's fantastic he got that call right. Nikolic looked like he couldn't believe his luck.
     
  7. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Correct.
    Did the AR raise the flag? Or perhaps he's indicating that the AR should not raise the flag.
    Good spot of who last kicked the ball, and it makes sure that any protest is unfounded.

    PH
     
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  8. doog

    doog Member

    Jun 11, 2006
    Someone who was at the game claimed the AR raised his flag. I wasn't there so I can't confirm it, but it makes sense given what Stott did.
     
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  9. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Flag was definitely up.
     
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  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the resulting direct consequence, the accuracy of the decision and the high likelihood of getting it wrong, it will be tough to beat that as call of the year. And we are in week 2.
     
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  11. Slaskwroclaw18

    Jun 26, 2011
    Philadelphia, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The AR certainly had his flag up and stood where he thought the offside offense took place. Stott's signal doubled as a "put your flag down" and a "come back and join us with the 2LD". Certainly a little bit comical but at the same time a great decsion (or non decision, however you want to phrase it) by Stott. There is no way the AR would have been able to determine that ball was played by a defender.

    And now to switch your attention, Geiger gave two penalty kicks today in PHI vs TOR. One for each team.

    The first one has Hagglund pulling down Herbers. It looks like the holding on the edge or right outside of the PA carried through inside the area. I was at the game and I remember Geiger was looking at AR1 before ultimately signaling for the penalty. I am certain Geiger had the foul but I think he was looking for confirmation if it was in or out. I am fine with this call and the spot.

    Second one comes off a free kick coming into the area. Jone pulls down Altidore. Watching the replay on the default tv camera, it seems there is some type of contact (I think there is a hold but it's tough to say considering the angle) but I suppose any hesitation I have is that the ball ultimately lands in an area away from Altidore. Certainly a criteria for a foul isn't "was the aggrieved player playing or about to play the ball" but it maybe something to consider. Considering Geiger could not have been in a better position I am okay with this call as well. If Jones held him, he held him. It came as a surprise to every in the stadium and apparently the TV production as well.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Early Ciman caution in Montreal looked like a missed DOGSO.
     
  13. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    You're asking alot if you think Marrufo was gonna give a red there that early in the game. Other guys might have given that, but no way was Marrufo gonna give a red there.
     
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  14. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I will be at the Minnesota United game as well. Interesting decision by PRO to use 4 FIFA officials and to use a native Minnesotan as the 4th official. We'll see how that plays out.
     
  15. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
  16. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    I'm afraid I won't be there after all. My kid suffered an ankle fracture at practice and is in a boot. With the snow forecast we're going to skip it. Enjoy the game.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean 3 FIFAs. Bazakos isn't international.
     
  18. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Not a bad game to miss. Sitting outside with wet snow coming down is not enjoyable. Refereeing in snow is NOT on my bucket list.
     
  19. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    It's disappointing that LA goes down a player due to simulation from Guzman (who actually hurt himself on the dive).
    Van Damme got his first yellow at the 24th minute for dissent and then 8 minutes later this happened...

    Not sure if DisCo is gonna rescind the red.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huh? Am I missing something?
     
  21. Raider025

    Raider025 Member

    May 13, 2015
    Nah, just the Portland-LA match.
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think Van Damme's challenge is okay there?
     
  23. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    did toledo actually manufacture the outcome of a dropped ball in the 90th minute, by telling the galaxy player to move back and then just plopping it down to the timbers GK? it looked really weird to me
     
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  24. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I think they will and I wouldn't even put it past them to suspend the Portland player for "embellishment/simulation."

    I think it's a foul and caution, but they will see the minimal contact and over turn that.
     
  25. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to the pool reporter, the foul called as attempting to trip the opponent. Toledo explained that Guzman attempted to avoid the challenge and fell as a result. If you watch the video, it does appear that Guzman takes a little hop to avoid the challenge before rolling his ankle on the landing. Viewed in that light, it's a good call.

    The foul Van Damme got the dissent yellow after, however, still looks like a straight dive from Chara.
     
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