05/03/2017 Toronto FC v Orlando City BMO Field (7:30pm ET) REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO AR1: Gianni Facchini AR2: Peter Balciunas 4TH: Silviu Petrescu Sporting Kansas City v New York Red Bulls Children's Mercy Park (8:30pm ET) REF: ALLEN CHAPMAN AR1: Danny Thornberry AR2: Nick Uranga 4TH: Edvin Jurisevic 05/05/2017 Colorado Rapids v Vancouver Whitecaps Dick's Sporting Goods Park (10:00pm ET) REF: JORGE GONZALEZ AR1: Jeffrey Hosking AR2: Andrew Bigelow 4TH: Younes Marrakchi 05/06/2017 Seattle Sounders v Toronto FC CenturyLink Field (3:00pm ET) REF: JAIR MARRUFO AR1: Frank Anderson AR2: Adam Garner 4TH: Baboucarr Jallow D.C. United v Montreal Impact RFK Stadium (6:00pm ET) REF: ROBERT SIBIGA AR1: Jeremy Hanson AR2: Anthony Vasoli 4TH: Caleb Mendez Philadelphia Union v New York Red Bulls Talen Energy Stadium (7:00pm ET) REF: SILVIU PETRESCU AR1: Cameron Blanchard AR2: Jonathan Johnson 4TH: Ted Unkel Columbus Crew v New England Revolution MAPFRE Stadium (7:30pm ET) REF: MARK GEIGER AR1: Peter Manikowski AR2: Felisha Mariscal 4TH: Fotis Bazakos Houston Dynamo v Orlando City BBVA Compass Stadium (8:30pm ET) REF: SORIN STOICA AR1: Mike Rottersman AR2: Jeff Muschik 4TH: Alejandro Mariscal Real Salt Lake v FC Dallas Rio Tinto Stadium (9:30pm ET) REF: DREW FISCHER AR1: Kyle Atkins AR2: Jeffrey Greeson 4TH: Allen Chapman LA Galaxy v Chicago Fire StubHub Center (10:30pm ET) REF: KEVIN STOTT AR1: Craig Lowry AR2: Eduardo Mariscal 4TH: Alex Chilowicz San Jose Earthquakes v Portland Timbers Avaya Stadium (10:30pm ET) REF: NIMA SAGHAFI AR1: Corey Rockwell AR2: Kevin Klinger 4TH: Ricardo Salazar 05/07/2017 Minnesota United v Sporting Kansas City TCF Bank Stadium (1:30pm ET) REF: ALAN KELLY AR1: Apolinar Mariscal AR2: Kermit Quisenberry 4TH: Hilario Grajeda New York City v Atlanta United Yankee Stadium (4:00pm ET) REF: ISMAIL ELFATH AR1: Joe Fletcher AR2: Brian Dunn 4TH: Jose Carlos Rivero http://www.proreferees.com/2017-mls-regular-season-assignments---week-10.php
MLS will be testing video replay during this one. It will be separated from the game and will not change anything in play. http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/04/rapids-mls-var-video-assistant-referee/
Colorado Rapids v Vancouver Whitecaps Dick's Sporting Goods Park (10:00pm ET) REF: JORGE GONZALEZ AR1: Jeffrey Hosking AR2: Andrew Bigelow 4TH: Younes Marrakchi Right before the 77 minute mark, Younes Marrakchi steps in for Jorge Gonzalez who appeared to have some sort of pain in his thigh.
And Marrakchi has to give a second yellow in his first ever match, with the first yellow accredited to a different referee. Boy, not sure @ManiacalClown 's database can account for this.
This will be interesting. I go by NASCAR rules of a sorts. Starting referee gets credit for the match overall, but any cards shown are credited to the specific referee. Marrakchi will have cards but no matches. Might cause an issue with the queries. We'll find out.
Too bad he gave two different cautions. Zero matches, 1 yellow, 1 2CT would be an impossible opening act to replicate.
Weird match with the ref change. Not that Williams didn't deserve his red but the bars for fouls and cards dropped like a stone when the ref changed.
We might learn more post-game, but it does look like a case of mistaken identity by Marrufo in the Sounders/TFC game - a YC for Alonzo rather than a second for Delem.
Thought the same on initial viewing, but on replay I was OK with a caution. He did appear to put his arm as much across the chest as catch him in the neck.
from Highlight i wonder the same thing. and I hear the announcer say that Coach is sent off. I dont agree with coaches making a scene but I have seen worse this year by a few coaches. https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...s-new-england-revolution/details/video/102614 Different note I will find it but coach in Arg. went nuts for a call saturday. Ripped/stripped off his shirt while walking from technical area to locker room
A key difference is that in the old situation the second caution was shown and he just refused to show the necessary red. So the mistake was public and there was no real way to excuse the error. Now, who deserved the be punished for the error is an entirely different matter. In this case, he opted to book someone else, on his own, after indicating he was coming back for a caution after playing advantage. Given the position of the players, this mistake is a bit more understandable. And it's also much harder for an AR or 4th to intervene with certainty (I'd personally be much more confident in a situation where I was saying "no, you already booked #5" than saying something like "no, #5 committed that tackle, not #4"). Will be interesting to see if PRO addresses this publicly with a mea culpa (or some sort of excuse) or if the DisCo confronts this in any way. Of course, the irony is that the first caution on Delem was very weak or entirely wrong, depending upon your perspective, so that might dissuade the DisCo from intervening if they even have a mandate to do so in such a case.
Right. It's a tough dilemma for the Sounders: do you ask for it to be corrected (assuming the DisCo can do so? I have no idea if this is in their purview), in which case you lose Delem for the next game, or do you keep it on Alonso, knowing that puts you one game closer to his inevitable accrual-based suspension. Guessing they aren't planning to complain, in which case DisCo probably ignores it. The lack of any public communication so far supports that guess.
Not exactly. Apparently, back then, he told the AR and 4th that he booked a different player the first time. This time he has reversed it, booked a different one the 2nd time. Different only in the methodology, not the end result, namely a twice cautioned player stays on the field. PH
Right. That's my point. Same result but different methodology. But the difference in methodology matters insofar as the culpability of the crew members go. The old methodology meant his crew members were obligated to intervene. My understanding is some of them tried, like you said, but to no avail because Marrufo insisted they were wrong. They faced concequences for that--deserved or not (and I think we are on the same page as to that question). This time, since he never actually showed two cautions to the same player, there is no obligation to publicly intervene. Did they ask questions over the radio and try to correct the apparent mistake? Probably unlikely the public will ever know. But if Marrufo is sure he cautioned Alonso for a legitimate reason, what can they do? That's completely on him.
I agree it is a difficult situation for the crew. But there should be some fairly obvious reason why a player is getting a YC. Especially when there is another player who just did something that deserved a caution, but does not get it. A referee can't just caution a player for no apparent reason. What did Alonso do? Incidentally, I think this stems from the years old tendency to avoid red cards in MLS. Some might call it clever match management, whereas others disagree. It makes good fodder for LOTG purists but I am not sure that the MLS higher-ups really care, and the same might apply to FIFA in significant games. The entertainment value for the fans in the stadium and on TV trumps the facts. PH
I think a big problem for this happening is that, from everyone I've heard, Marrufo is extremely difficult to work with and wants very little input from his ARs. He really doesn't want his ARs helping out much and offering input. I bet his crew said nothing, because he usually doesn't want input from his crew. I've heard similar things that @MassRef has heard in regards to the original second caution debacle years ago that Marrufo just ignored his crew's input. If he isn't going to listen to his crew on a cut and dry factual event of a player receiving two yellow cards, you think he is going to listen to his crew saying "uh Jair, I think you are cautioning the wrong guy there on that advantage...?" I doubt any conversation happened at all, and, if one did, I doubt it went the way I said it. I don't think that sentiment is as prevalent in MLS as it used to be, certainly during the regular season at least. In Marrufo's case, I do think he does go by that philosophy of trying to avoid red cards in all cases. The statistics back it up as statistically he is either the leader or at the top of giving the least amount of red and yellow cards among referees in the league. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (@ManiacalClown), but I think Marrufo has gone like 4 or 5 seasons without giving a second caution red card. I don't care how you spin that, but that's almost statistically impossible and really should not be happening at the professional level unless you are just blatantly going out of your way to manipulate matches to avoid giving a second caution red card. Regardless, his approach clearly works as he gets almost always the best games every week and I doubt this incident will have any impact on his future assignments. You will probably see him on an Eastern or Western Conference Final 1st or 2nd leg playoff match. The game will feature a lot of physical play, very few fouls called and certainly no red cards and a "job well done" from PRO/MLS.
Did you get the Mendez for Vasoli switch, too? http://www.proreferees.com/news-play-of-the-week-2017-week-10.php
I was told that they are recording the ref comms for development purposes, I am wondering if this one is recordered and if so we will know if Anderson or Jallow assisted on the situation. Only thing i can see is that it happened and is like last year with UNKEL 2 players in the vicinity and he showed the wrong player the card.