2017 Gold Cup Referees [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that's SFP.
     
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  2. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Bonilla has a possible SFP tackle. Bonilla was also the player that was stepped on in the first half by Omar Gonzalez.

    Whew. This will be an interesting second half.
     
  3. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    It's not.
    I was just using it as an illustration


    As an aside, someone is going to get seriously injured if Fischer doesn't involve himself in this match
     
  4. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fischer has been awful, getting confused and awarding a YC to a player not near the play started the descent and it's only gotten worse and worse. Even Dr. Joe Machnik isnt able to be kind to him.
     
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  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For that to happen twice with Altidore is absurd.

    And here comes the retaliation against Arriola.
     
  6. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Oh. Oh no....
     
  7. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dear me... I have to say, I've not been impressed with Fischer's work in MLS. This is well beyond him this one
     
  8. RichM

    RichM Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Nov 18, 2009
    Meridian, ID
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Altidore got Suarez'ed
     
  9. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    USSOCCER needs to demand action against both Fischer who is no longer even coming close to fulfilling his duty and the dirty El Salvador players
     
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  10. mudhen

    mudhen Member

    Apr 11, 2012
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    One would think that the reputation of El Salvador to play dirty would be discussed in the pre-game. I think that Fischer is out of his water here, and I shudder at what he will face in his post game de-brief.
     
  11. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Match got away from him anyway.
     
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  12. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Hopefully, someone in that de-brief will explain what a tactical foul is and why we caution them
     
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  13. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As putrid a performance as I have ever seen.

    How can an entire crew go an entire match without a clue about anything behind the ball or otherwise out of easy sight?
     
  14. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Jamaica - Canada: MONTERO (CRC)
    Mexico - Honduras: LOPEZ (GUA)
     
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  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Note AR2, the solo representative from TTO, blew two critical offside calls that--I hope--most here recognized were wrong in real-time.

    Also, it's worth pointing out that for all the ES antics, the first dirty play in the second half was unequivocally the mule kick to the testicles by Arriola. The crew may not have protected Altidore and others but it also failed to recognize and punish VC by a US player mere seconds into the second half.
     
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  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brilliant use of your FMF and USSF referees, CONCACAF.
     
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  17. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    RedStar was right. This is really a joke of a competition in all aspects.
    CONCACAF and its referee program has not done itself any favors in terms of improving its reputation away from
    the crooked years of Warner and Blazer.
    A total embarrassing disgrace.

    PH
     
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  18. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Then again, thinking back to the mess that was mark Geiger in Mexico v Panama two years ago, probably a good thing. That said, these are probably the last games that these crews could work assuming US and Mexico moving on.
     
  19. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    To be fair, I don't think he had yet signaled advantage.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not putting it past CONCACAF to assign Garcia to the US semi and Geiger to the (presumed) Mexico one.

    If neither of those assignments happens, it will be the first time since 2000 that the Gold Cup knockout stages did not involve an American or Mexican CR (and, in 2000, the format was different--4 groups--and NO referee from a knockout stage participating country reffed past the first round).

    Either way, this is the crux of my point. You have what are 4 of your top 5 or 6 rated referees sitting on the sidelines for the quarters and--possibly/likely--useless for the semis and final. Unless they get used for the semis, which is a bad idea for obvious reasons, they don't get used at all, which is just stupid.
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. He was pointing back to the first call before or as the potential penalty decision occurred. I question how it wasn't a caution, given the nature of the foul, but given the totality of events in the match that is a minor quibble.
     
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  22. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I didn't watch the game last night, but saw some of the highlights and Fischer was poor even by CONCACAF standards. This lenient style of officiating that we are seeing promoted at the international level really can backfire on games where there is such a gap or perceived gap in quality of teams.

    Fischer always reminds me of a poor man's Petrescu but without the authority and presence. Petrescu has a ridiculously high bar for SFP, but he would never let a game get out of control. He would lose patience and start producing cards and eventually get rid of players if need be.

    Fischer is just out there smiling and being nice to players all day long.
     
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  23. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They missed a possible yellow card foul on Lichaj too.
     
  24. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    That really wasn't my point. If you get fouled in a more dangerous spot, that's your advantage. That's not advantage failing to materialize.
     
  25. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Okay, then it's just a failure to allow advantage to develop. Still bad, I think, but less indefensible. Was a very late whistle too then, though.
     

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