2017 Gold Cup qualifiers [R]

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by Paul Calixte, Jun 8, 2016.

  1. Athlone

    Athlone Member

    Feb 2, 2013
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    Jamaica
    There are multiple reasons. The first is financial - Jamaica called fewer professional players and more local league players because they cost less to fly in.

    The second is just hubris, xenophobia, and JFF incompetence. There's a streak in the JFF and among Jamaican fans generally that thinks local-based players are as good as anyone and professionals aren't really important - they think Jamaica can beat anyone with it's domestic league players, and they think foreign-based professionals are unfairly promoted over them. They also think that teams like Suriname are easy to beat, which to them means that experienced professional players are less necessary. They think any group of local players could beat teams like Suriname, and there are many in Jamaica's football fandom that want to ban or severely limit the JFF from calling foreign-based players for Caribbean Cup matches.
     
  2. Athlone

    Athlone Member

    Feb 2, 2013
    Country:
    Jamaica
    Jamaica escapes with a 1-0 win after scoring in minute 15 and going down to 10 men in minute 34. We were lucky to get away with the win. If this game is any indication of anything, we'll need a lot of fortune to win the Caribbean Cup.

    The commentators on Jamaican radio have spent much of the game scapegoating Jamaica's English born players for recent failures and arguing that tonight's performance (a narrow 1-0 win over a team filled with amateurs that ranks #147 in the world) was more evidence of why local-based players need to be in the squads.
    They're just piling on with the anti-diaspora rhetoric now and I'm sick of it. It isn't even based in logic or fact, just bias against their own people who happen to have been born abroad. It really sucks to support a country when so many of your fellow fans are invested in idiocy.

    I'm just glad we did enough to advance and will get to compete next summer.
     
  3. Athlone

    Athlone Member

    Feb 2, 2013
    Country:
    Jamaica
    French Guiana, Martinique, Curacao, and Jamaica will be your Caribbean representatives at the 2017 Gold Cup.
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
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    United States
    Hey, now...whoever survives the Fifth-Place playoff between Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago and Suriname have IMO a better than even shot at qualifying against their Central American counterpart. With Guatemala currently suspended, there's a good chance that Fifth-Place team will be Nicaragua - a tough nut to crack nowadays (just ask Jamaica), but eminently beatable.
     
  5. Athlone

    Athlone Member

    Feb 2, 2013
    Country:
    Jamaica
    Yeah my bad, I forgot about the playoff.

    It looks like Haiti actually didn't make the playoff. Trinidad, Suriname, and Antigua are the teams I'm seeing as qualifiers, with Haiti out on GD. Tough break for the Haitians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Caribbean_Cup_qualification#Fifth_place_playoff

    I can definitely see Trinidad surviving and getting to the GC if they're able to field a strong team with most of their foreign-based professionals during the playoff with Central America.
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Not on GD, but on the wins in regulation tiebreaker, according to Art. 18, subpoint A.7.c of the regulations. Mind you, if the FHF were pedantic, they could appeal that nowhere in the regulations does it say that these tiebreakers apply to runners-up (the wording specifically mentions group winners). But us getting eliminated now has the silver lining of speeding up internal reform.

    Starting with you, Neveu - don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
  7. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
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    United States
    Update: the CFU covered their bases with the previous paragraph (Art. 18, subpoint A.6), so the same tiebreakers apply to runners-up. Good luck to the playoff teams, then, and here's hoping for 5 Caribbean representatives.
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Among us Haitian fans, no one knows exactly what's going on...apparently, the FHF may have strong-armed the CFU into letting us go through, and right now the playoff round schedule on concacaf.com has Haiti in it.

    Let me say this: after the CFU screwed Alpha United over in a club championship by applying a tiebreaker that was originally nowhere to be found in the regulations, and then screwed the Dominican Republic over by arbitrarily switching up the groups in the 2012 Caribbean Cup finals, this (if they actually bend over for Haiti) is yet another disgusting example of incompetence on their part. No wonder the Dominicans openly talk about pursuing UNCAF membership...
     
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  9. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    CONCACAF's now saying that Haiti is in the playoff round. Wouldn't be the first time it overruled the CFU...
     
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  10. Athlone

    Athlone Member

    Feb 2, 2013
    Country:
    Jamaica
    Interesting. Seems that even these simple qualifiers won't be without some drama.

    There's never a dull moment in Caribbean football - on or off the pitch. Hopefully we can get past this sensibly and without impropriety, though that may be asking too much.
     
  11. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

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  12. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    Croatia
    I thought there will be again one leg at home and one leg away, not this fixed-venue tournament. Idiotic decision then, they easily could've added fourth team and make it knock-out tournament with semis and final. Idiots.

    Also, what did Trinidad and Tobago do to always host CFU tournaments? :laugh:
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
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    United States
    Now, see, this kind of clear, precise thinking is why they'd never hire you in the CFU. :p
     
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  14. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
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    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
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    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    With three teams it would take 6 matchdays for each team to play 2 home games, 2 away games, and have 2 matchdays off (like in the CCL). As for your comment on the format having three teams rather than four, here's what I said about that in this topic in September:

     
  15. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
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    United States
    I'm pretty sure @dinamo_zagreb meant the same scheduling as in the earlier rounds of the Caribbean Cup.
     
  16. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    I was referring on format used in previous stages: team X has one game at home against opponent Y, one away against opponent Z and one bye day when Y hosts Z. Three matchdays, lasts for seven days.

    EDIT: Haha, Paul. :laugh:
     
  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

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    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
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    OK. It's not a big deal to me whether the three games are at one site or if each team gets one home game and one away game.
     
  18. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

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  19. Athlone

    Athlone Member

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  20. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    I wouldn't find it to be an issue too if it was played in neutral country. But it isn't as Trinidad and Tobago will host it. :thumbsup:
     
  21. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Ok, everyone...now we can start talking about alternative Copa Centroamericana formats.

     
  22. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    UNCAF settled on what's probably the fairest solution, all things considered: one group. The schedule:

    13 de enero

    16:00 - Honduras vs. Nicaragua
    18:30 - Costa Rica vs. El Salvador
    21:00 - Panamá vs. Belice


    15 de enero

    13:00 - Belice vs. Costa Rica
    15:30 - El Salvador vs. Honduras
    18:00 - Panamá vs. Nicaragua


    17 de enero

    16:00 - El Salvador vs. Belice
    18:30 - Costa Rica vs. Nicaragua
    21:00 - Panamá vs. Honduras


    20 de enero

    16:00 - Nicaragua vs. Belice
    18:30 - Honduras vs. Costa Rica
    21:00 - Panamá vs. El Salvador


    22 de enero

    11:00 - Belice vs. Honduras
    13:30 - El Salvador vs. Nicaragua
    16:00 - Panamá vs. Costa Rica


    Door's wide open for one of Nicaragua and Belize to make it back to the Gold Cup...
     
  23. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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  24. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    --other--
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    Croatia
    Last stage of CFU qualification started last night. Three eliminated teams from Caribbean Cup are in Couva, Trinidad and Tobago fighting for playoff spot. Suriname surprised hosts (2-1 AET) and is in pole position for playoff spot - they will face Haiti tomorrow. If they win, they qualify to playoff. Haiti plays Trinidad and Tobago on January 8 in what might be a dead rubber.

    Does anyone here know what is with their (Surinamese) plan to field professionals from Europe? :D Might we see them fielding their pro players if they break 32-year absence from CONCACAF championship?


    Copa Centroamericana, UNCAF qualification tournament, starts next Friday.
     
  25. Surinamese-man

    Aug 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    No,Suriname is not going to use European based players.The Surinamese Football Federation wished that they could call up overseas players but politics are still in a deep sleep.This year a new chairman will be elected in the Federation and there is one guy (Ronny Brunswijk) who will try to take it over.And this is interesting because he is also active in Surinamese politics so we have the expectation that he is going to do something or at least to discuss this issue about the dual citizenship again in the parliament.He is also head of the Football club Intermoengo Tapu.if i get the chance,i will try to interview him to hear what kind of ambitions and plans he has and will inform you guys about it.
     
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