2017 Fire Roster Speculation

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by seamuslush, Aug 9, 2016.

  1. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    We all dream of a team of nothings...
     
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  2. rogerinIL3

    rogerinIL3 Member

    Feb 27, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The tragedy is that you could follow other strings of player deals that the Fire made that ended in similar results. I guess they've never figured out that you need to keep adding "keeper" players to build a good team from a bad one. That really makes you think they're about making $ more than building a winning team.
     
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I would, of course, greatly prefer Oduro.
     
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  4. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    No one was able to answer the trivia question.

    The Fire traded Qunicy Amarikwa for Ty Harden.

    Yes, THE Ty Harden.
    His illustrious career with the Fire included playing in 3 games (all starts, logging 270 minutes), before being released.
     
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  5. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    The worst part of that trade progression is that they don't even realize when the made a great deal and should stick with the player. Oduro for Carr is a great trade. Stop there. Let him terrorize teams for the Fire for another 5-6 years. Let him develop more skill and tactical awareness here (which he has done). But then they tempt fate and totally luck into getting a guy who becomes the MVP. Stop right there. Get him decent medical care (like the Galaxy have) and you have a great player and team leader for another 4-5 years. Same with Joevin Jones. When the blind squirrel dies find the nut, he shouldn't spit it back out. Keep him and have your LB spot nailed down for another 5 years. Forget about evaluating talent to bring in, they can't evaluate talent that is on their roster.
     
  6. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who?

    Sorry, [waves hand] that is not the droid you're looking for.
     
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  7. seamuslush

    seamuslush Member+

    Jun 18, 2005
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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  8. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    you were saying?
     
  9. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Send a kid from Armenia to Oklahoma?
    Man, that's cold.

    David the moderately tall me be thinking, "I left the Lithuanian league for this. I am heading back to Trakai."
     
  10. Pack87Man

    Pack87Man BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 1, 2001
    Quad Cities
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I was told then, wait for the playoffs.
     
  11. splunge63

    splunge63 Member+

    Mar 30, 2014
    west burbs
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Polster's back soon (I think). What's Pauno going to do? RB, CB or sub? I think he's a CDM, so sub it is. Either way, our 18 will be improved.
     
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  12. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Where did he play on the back line previously? RB or CB? I think if we stay with 4 in the back, Polster plays in the back (RB for Harrington or CB with Kap moving outside). If we switch to 3 in the back, he'll be the first onto the field for Schweinsteiger, Dax or Juninho.
     
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  13. splunge63

    splunge63 Member+

    Mar 30, 2014
    west burbs
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    While Polster's not a plodder, he doesn't have the pace you want at fullback. I don't think he's a better CB than Meira or Campbell. As you say, first sub for any of our aging mids is most likely. A salute to the fool that let J. Jones go, for an effing song!!!
     
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  14. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    3-4-3

    Kap-Miera-Campbell
    Schweinsteiger-Polster
    Dax-Juninho
    MDL-Niko-Accam
     
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  15. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I'm in favor of this lineup for two reasons: 1. you play to your squads strengths, and 2. we don't have any above average LBs or RBs. Since we don't have any strength with wing play out of the back why even bother?
     
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  16. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Because EPL?
     
  17. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Tactically the best league in the Europe.*




    *After Serie A, Bundesliga, La Liga, Eredivisie, Primeira Liga, Allsvenska, Ligue 1, and of course the Veikkausliga.
     
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  18. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    But...but...who's going to be crossing the ball into Arshakyan from the wings? [emoji27]
     
  19. 4door

    4door Member+

    Mar 7, 2006
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think a 3-4-3 ends up with a Minnesota United-like goals against. Someone needs to cover when the opponent plays out wide.

    Option 1 - 2 of your 4 MFs are two-way wingbacks. I watch a lot of Liga MX, and its pretty common for clubs there to play this style. But we don't have a single wingback, let alone two.

    Option 2 - You play with 3 in the back and your quick outside CBs go out and cover the wide play. You have 1 or 2 CDMs playing pretty deep and they cover the crosses back into the box. Your CDM kinda becomes a CB/sweeper type, and that is where we would probably stick Polster. But at that point, why even play with 3 in the back if Polster is just helping the back line, just add him to the backline and keep a constant shape.

    Option 3 - You don't care about giving up goals (because you are usually down a goal already) and you just crowd the MF with all 4 guys. But even in this system you want a variety of the types of Midfielders you play. You want some guys who are quick enough to recover and can play out wide to spread things out. Basti, Dax, Juninho, Polster are all similar types of players (no one is a winger or a #10)

    We have essentially 4 CENTRAL midfielders, all of them not so fast, not great playmakers, non of them can beat players off the dribble, non can play out wide naturally (maybe Basti 5 years ago). You'd end up just clogging the MF and putting them into some kind of box in the middle of the field. But then what happens out wide? MDL is not fast enough to really play out there, Accam is plenty fast but I'm not sure I've ever seen him make a tackle in his life. Kap can cover out to the right, but on the left side you have a HUGE whole. Accam isn't getting back, Campbell or Meira isn't fast enough to really cover. If I was managing against the Fire I'd take my 2 fastest wingers and tell them to stay wide and force the Fire to either draw their slower CMs out to cover OR draw their slow CBs out to cover. Either way I'll break that shape they want to play in.

    The only thing that makes sense is to just keep our formation, and just swap Dax or Juninho for Basti. I know it sucks because we spent all our Garber bucks on CMs, but the best 11 you can put out there isn't always the 11 most talented players.
     
  20. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire

    Agree with some of this, but there is no way our best 11 can include Harrington.
     
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  21. 4door

    4door Member+

    Mar 7, 2006
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its our best shape. It plays to the majority of our strengths. In a 3-4-3 you have multiple guys out of position or at least not playing to their strength (MDL playing wide, Accam having to track back and cover, Campbell having to cover wide play). You weaken lots of players just to fit Basti in. The point is that you are better off keeping the shape, playing to your strengths and just benching Juninho. The fact that Harrington is our best and only RB is the fault of the front office. We loaded up on 3 new CM (who play basically the same way) and didn't even bring in a single MLS-ready outside back, attacking mid, or winger. Our hope was to convert Polster our 4th CM into another position (before he was hurt). But I still think having a crap outside back is better than having no outside backs and then having multiple players play out of position.

    Right now we need to probably trade Polster (or Garber bucks) for a true RB (Saad Abdul Salaam for instance who doesn't play at KC) and then just bench Juninho for Basti. There is a pretty good chance Basti gets hurt and then Juninho can come in for him. But putting 3 in the back (with 2 slow CBs) and 4 similar CMs (all of them being on the slower side) and outside forwards who won't track back is going to be a huge mistake. We will give up a ton of goals.
     
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  22. Jdgedwill

    Jdgedwill Member+

    Jun 15, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't help but notice that Dax's Twitter bio is blank. When he played for NYRB it said Midfielder for NYRB. I have a tendency to look more into things than I probably should so it might just be me being paranoid but I wonder if Dax is going to be traded to Orlando for Spector.

    This would make sense if Bastian works out and can stay for a few years. If not it would be very short sighted. Am I nuts to suspect this or does it sound like a possibility?
     
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  23. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Been saying this for awhile. I think Dax was a league gift for not getting BS in Jan. Now he can go to OC. Fire need GAM and TAM
     
  24. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    there's an easy solution to this:

    -----------Niko-
    Alvarez -MDL-Accam
    ------Basti-Jun/Dax/Polster
    Vincent-Meira-Campbell-Kap

    make Alvarez and Accam focus on providing crosses instead of cutting inside to shoot. Get Harrington the eff off the field, and play all your defenders in their strongest position. Let Basti captain the team from deep, like Bradley did against Honduras.

    in my fantasy MLS steps in to help Dax get to Orlando and we package Harrington, Dax, and Juninho off to OC for Rafael Ramos, Kevin Alston, and either Carlos Rivas or Giles Barnes, and trot this out:


    ------------Niko-
    Accam---MDL-Barnes/Rivas
    --------Basti-Polster
    Vincent-Campbell-Kap-Alston/Ramos

    get rid of the logjam, improve D depth, get some pace and service in the lineup.
     
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  25. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have you ever seen Accam put in a worthwhile cross?
     

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