[2017 EAFF E-1 Football Championship] Korea vs Japan 2017/12/16 [R]

Discussion in 'Korea' started by Seol Korea, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. Kwangaetto

    Kwangaetto New Member

    South Korea
    Dec 2, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Realistically speaking, that has never happened in recent or far memory nor will it ever happen especially in the near future. I just want to know how well some other K-leaguers would fit into the NT over some CSL players who've had a million chances by now. And we know who we are talking about. I think one solution is to give more playing chances to a wider range of players, have a lot more friendlies and not worry about its impact on FIFA ranking so much. This is the only way I feel we can truly rigorously test who will fit or have good chemistry in the NT. More specifically, we should experiment with more defensive players.
     
  2. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Yes, I understand where you're coming from. However, the real reason players like KYK should not start is not because they're in the CSL, but because they're just shite. Even if KYK moves to the K-League or Europe as rumoured, doesn't mean he should get a better chance at starting. All in all, the "world cup qualified leagues only" rule you proposed just doesn't sound like an adequate response to the problems at hand, because the league doesn't define the player.
     
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  3. Kwangaetto

    Kwangaetto New Member

    South Korea
    Dec 2, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I know, it was just an idea I threw out there out of frustration with CSL based players and others. The more I think about it, it's not just the league (quality of competition, playing rules for foreigners), it's also about about playing time, being fit and chemistry. Park Ju Young comes to mind. He got into Arsenal but what good did that do for him? He didn't even play so his form and probably fitness naturally suffered as his entire career. I really missed his header-goals.
     
  4. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Exactly. LCY plays in the EPL, however I'd rather have a CSL LJS (god forbid) over LCY at present.
     
  5. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Rumours denied by Lee Jae-sung, himself, and Jeonbuk GM.
     
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  6. Hodori

    Hodori Red Card

    Aug 12, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    To me, going to the middle east or CSL, shows that the player: (1) is not good enough for Europe, (2) does not have the mental fortitude for Europe, (3) has given up on the hopes of reaching his full potential, and/or (4) cares more about money than sporting factors.

    HJH falls into (3) and (4).
    KYK and JHS used to fall into (2), (3) and (4) but now (1) applies to them as well.

    China and the desert are sporting black holes. They impose a negative feedback loop mechanism on these players. They play at a sub-optimal level for outsized earnings which decreases both accountability and sporting ability. After some time playing in these leagues, they regress.

    Look at JHS. He should have improved since his time playing in the J-League and winning the gold medal in the Asiad. But instead, he's regressed and lacks positional awareness, tackling abilities and passing abilities.

    Or let's look at NTH. What is he now? He may be a desert superstar playing against others who amble about the pitch in sandstorms giving him plenty of space. But the minute he plays at a higher intensity on the KNT, he gets demolished. What a waste of a talent.

    You can't replicate the high levels of intensity that are required to play as an international, particularly in the world cup, when you spend months (if not years) collecting an easy pay check playing at 60-70% effort and barely training under shitty Chinese coaches or un-motivated foreign coaches cashing out in these leagues.

    It's like asking a boxer like Chaves Jr. after years of lazily smoking up and partying to fight Canelo. Training camp and an intense burst of activity will not erase years of regression against an opponent who has maintained competing at a high level, regardless of talent.

    Yes, it's bad to sit on the bench in Europe. But at least those players wanted to compete. I am suspect of everyone who goes to the CSL or the desert in their prime (or before their prime). We should ignore and avoid those that chose to go to the retirement league to cash out.

    Cap only those players that went to sporting leagues like those in Europe or the K-League or the J-League or hell, even the A-League. If we sink with players in those leagues that are giving it their all, week in and week out, then fine. That is our pool of talent. But at least they are showing accountability. And they will show accountability on the pitch regardless of winning or losing.

    But if we sink with those playing in the desert and the middle kingdom, we are following the UliShit model of insanity.
     
  7. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Jang Hyunsoo, I don't know...he was never good. Never seen him play well.
     
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  8. Kwangaetto

    Kwangaetto New Member

    South Korea
    Dec 2, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I know this is just anecdotal evidence. Last year I got to meet a Chinese national after playing pick-up basketball together. I found out that he had just came to the States a few weeks before. I asked him if he liked any other sport besides basketball. He said, "no". "Why not? Aren't you interested in Chinese football?" He said in his very broken limited English, "Too much Bribery" after he looked up the word in English online.


     
  9. jinseokyang

    jinseokyang Member+

    Feb 28, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    you clearly didn't watch the 2011 U20 WC lol he was rly good then
     
  10. toohyper

    toohyper Red Card

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    This can be said for a lot of our prospects. We have some good U-17/U-19/U-20 type players but university-level football and lack of true youth academy halts their development.

    Our boys are very competitive in the international level, even against the Europeans and South Americans. Difference is that those leagues continue to help their youth grow and develop, the way their football system is structured and better coaches.
     
  11. sac517

    sac517 Member+

    May 23, 2005
    KYG, KBK all balled out for the 2009 U20s as well.
     
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  12. toohyper

    toohyper Red Card

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I thought KBK was going to be something special, and he had his good moments with Cardiff. But his career trajectory has been underwhelming.
     
  13. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    Typical case of joining the wrong league. He should've went to Germany where he'd fit much better. He even had offers.
     
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  14. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    hindsight he should have joined Monaco in the second division lol.
     
  15. toohyper

    toohyper Red Card

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I thought KBK's game fit the English style well. Sure, the English style isn't technical and it's hoofball quite often, but he had the physicality and dribbling skills that would have been advantageous to him.

    Going to the Bundesliga would have been a better choice in hindsight but not sure his career would have been all that different.
     
  16. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
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  17. edlee1992

    edlee1992 Member+

    Apr 3, 2012
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
  18. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Hwang Ilsu might come to Ulsan.
    More and more players are leaving China.
     
  19. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    China has changed their rules again. The Asian quarter rule is no more existent. That means they don't need Koreans anymore. Explains the exit rushes (Jung Woo Young to Vissel Gobe, Hwang Il Soo to Ulsan)
     
  20. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    So now we have 3 players in CSL: Kim Juyoung, Kim Keehee and Kwon Kyungwon.
     
  21. Kwangaetto

    Kwangaetto New Member

    South Korea
    Dec 2, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    We need to get them out as soon as possible. :cry:
     
  22. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    I dont care about KJY and KKH. KKW should gtfo.
     
  23. hanul21

    hanul21 Member+

    Dec 26, 2004
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic

    K-League followers might remember Takahagi who played for FC Seoul a year ago. He was called up for JNT at the 2017 EAFF and our very own Cha Doo Ri ran into him.

    Takahagi seems to have a decent grasp of Korean. Not too shabby for someone who was only here for two years.

    CDR - 야! (Hey!)
    Takahagi - 네? (Yes?)
    CDR - 대표선수야? (You're a player on the national squad?)
    Takahagi - 예 ㅎㅎㅎ (Yes, haha).
    ---
    CDR - 축하해! (Congrats!)
    CDR - 한국올꺼야? (Are you coming to Korea?)
    Takahagi - 시간이없어. (I don't have the time).
    CDR - 왜?! - (Why?!)
    ---
    Takahagi - 안녕하세요! 파이팅! (Hello! Fighting!)
     
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  24. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    His wife is Korean. (Been married since 2011 when he was still playing for Sanfrecce Hiroshima)

    http://news.joins.com/article/18837176

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  25. toohyper

    toohyper Red Card

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic

    Somewhere, ConcernedK is very concerned and his blood pressure is rising.
     

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