2017 Attendance

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  1. CoachJon

    CoachJon Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Rochester, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  2. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Thorns- Dash special Eclipse edition.

    19,672
     
  3. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ... because they're stranded by the traffic jam outside the stadium? :D
     
  4. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Because of the Voodoo Donuts that blot out the sun.

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  5. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    I was one of them. :)
     
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  6. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    So I want a first-hand opinion: Yuki Nagasato had her first start of the season, played the whole game and even assisted Ertz for lonely Chicago's goal; how did you see her in general? The chemistry with the rest of the team was decent? Of course, in a 1-3 home loss, it's difficult that any player shine, but I'd like to have the opinion of someone who watched the whole game at the stadium (I didn't even watch the streaming because it was too late for me in Italy).
     
  7. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She had some very nice touches on the ball, and I was impressed with her work rate. But she doesn't seem like she's quite meshing with the rest of the attack yet; of course, part of that may have been that Press also seemed off her game and wasn't meshing with anyone.
     
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  8. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #59 Cliveworshipper, Sep 2, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2017
    Special Thorns Labor Day weekend party 19,141
     
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  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great work, I've been hoping to see your numbers. And, excellent notes.
     
  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.socceramerica.com/publi...aign=17868&hashid=6YravZalrGQnCVikplb6CsfOqks

    Staying power.
    The NWSL's average of 5,083 fans a game still ranks second in its five seasons, a testament to its staying power. The other two women's leagues -- WUSA and WPS -- saw decreases in their second and third seasons and then folded.

    Women's Pro League Attendance:

    AVG. TEAM (YEAR)
    5,083 NWSL (2017)
    5,558 NWSL (2016)
    5,046 NWSL (2015)
    4,139 NWSL (2014)
    4,270 NWSL (2013)
    ----------------------------
    3,518 WPS (2011)
    3,601 WPS (2010)
    4,490 WPS (2009)
    ----------------------------
    6,667 WUSA (2003)
    6,957 WUSA (2002)
    8,116 WUSA (2001)
     
  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I would say that median attendance is a better measure than average. The Thorns completely distort the picture.

    And attendance and folding is not a cause and effect pairing, so your phrasing is less than optimal.

    The WUSA folded because 1) the business plan was terrible and 2) the league office never had the people necessary to line up national sponsors and 3) the business plan was terrible - 15k/game average wouldn't have saved the WUSA.

    The WPS folded because Dan Borislow's lawsuit was not immediately thrown out by the judge in Florida. Again, nothing to do with attendance.
     
  14. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Considering the NWSL does profit-sharing, the average isn't a bad statistic to look at, even if it's skewed by Portland.

    Also, the msilver made still about NWSL holds if you look at median attendance (taking numbers from Kenn's site where I can):
    I can't find already-compiled medians for any other season except 3,356 WPS (2010) but I'm pretty sure those patterns held too.

    Attendance drops may not have been the majority cause of WPS or WUSA folding, but falling attendance still makes a noticeable contribution due to falling profits and more difficulty in getting/retaining sponsors.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, I am thinking that is Soccer America's phrasing.
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I should have all the medians somewhere. In fact, the season-ending lists for the last few years on my site should contain medians and highs and lows.
     
  17. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Last few years, yeah - but I couldn't find the season-end detailed lists for 2001, 2002, 2003, 2009, or 2011. And the attendance project summary articles only list the means. (I don't doubt you have them, but my quick-n-dirty search earlier using just the league names didn't pull them up.)
     
  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I was not doing all that back in the WUSA days. I can go back and pull them from the data, though.
     
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  19. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A little note: according to the Thorns, their attendance this year makes them the first women's professional team based in the US ever, in any sport, to average over 17,000 fans for a season.
     
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  20. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Didn't some women's team in England in the 1920s draw ridiculous crowds (Doncaster Belles or something?) until the FA stepped in and banned women's soccer from any stadium used by a team registered by the FA?

    EDIT: It was the Dick Kerr Ladies I was thinking of. And the FA ban was in 1921.
     
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  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not many contenders there. The WNBA's Washington Mystics averaged over 16k one year.
     
  22. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    and of course there was a banner that was ridiculed for years until it was finally taken down.
     
  23. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    At this point, I would not expect much of a walk-up crowd for Sunday's game in Cary. The forecast continues to worsen. And it includes thunderstorms, so delays could come into play as well.
     
  24. BlueCrimson

    BlueCrimson Member+

    North Carolina Courage
    United States
    Nov 21, 2012
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Lack of walk-up sales won't be a huge concern. My one question will be if they can top the attendance from the 2013 final. Looking like that will happen.
     
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  25. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Capacity is 10,000. If they've pre-sold 9k, that's awesome.
     
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