2017 Attendance

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  1. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6,802 attendance at the Thorns v Red Stars pre-season match at Providence Park. Weather was rainy, temperature 48 degrees. It's school Spring Break, which is a time for Portlanders to escape to better weather, this still being the rainy season, so lots of fans are out of town.

    And still my wife says, "6,802, that's not so good." From her beach chair here in Hawaii.
     
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  2. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    It's higher than every other NWSL team's average attendance in 2016 other than Orlando. And also higher than most of the team's highest attendance (only Orlando, Portland, FCKC at their game in Sporting Park, and Houston had ones higher).
     
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  3. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Attendance Wednesday for Red Stars/Dash and Thorns/U23 games: 6,129.
     
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  4. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    preseason games always draw less fans. It's like that in every pro league, men's or women's.
     
  5. IZIE

    IZIE Member

    Feb 6, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #5 IZIE, Apr 2, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
    After watching that Chicago Fire game where only 15k turned up for Bastian debut... I finally give on that market for NWSL. Red Stars paying to play at Toyota Park is going to run them into the ground. The RS don't market well if at all, and playing in the middle of nowhere is not helping . They need relocation like the Flash did, even MLS needs to move... The red stars like the flash was, are one of the best team in the league and they have been there long enough to get a hold on that market but with other major teams there , the never will
     
  6. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    I think the Fire's problems are far more systemic than just the location of their stadium. Signing an international player on the tail end of his career is not going to change that.

    I do agree with you that the Red Stars moving to Toyota Park has not immediately helped the team out from an attendance standpoint (I never really expected it would). However, it certainly is a better facility from a player's perspective and it hasn't hurt their attendance. In fact, if you take out the doubleheaders they played in 2014 & 2015, their attendance has increased every year since the NWSL started. Their 2016 average is a 75.4% increase (+1292 in raw numbers) over 2013. The only team that has seen a larger percentage increase is Seattle (99.4%). And only Portland (+3625) and Seattle (+2293) have a larger increase in raw numbers.
     
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  7. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thorns v Dash attendance on Saturday, 7,252.
     
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  8. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know what attendance to expect for tomorrow's games, but I did see that the Thorns have advised that there are five sections, previously general admission, that now are reserved seats. I assume that means there has been an increase in season ticket sales sufficient to take those sections out of general admission.
     
  9. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    This weekend (outside of Portland) might not be pretty given it is Easter weekend. In Houston, there has been very little marketing. Increasingly it kind of feels like the organization has given up on the team. Front office staff has been downgraded significantly, they are nickle and diming on things and there is virtually no marketing push at all.
     
  10. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    That does not sound good. If it's true they have given up why do you think that is the case?
     
  11. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Don't know. Most likely guess would be owners disinterested. Last couple of years you had a fairly senior person as GM (Ching) and a senior marketing person heavily involved (Amber Cox). Cox left (or was fired, depending on what you believe) and Ching was removed.

    Now, you have Waldrum as GM, who really isn't into the business side. No VP of marketing anymore at all, so you have a mid-level Dynamo marketing person getting involved in Dash marketing. Long story short, no senior people involved in Dash anymore. Tiny marketing budgets, declining season ticket holder base, so far less in the way of video production compared to last season, definitely less in the way of marketing and so on.
     
  12. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    I wish I could blame this on AEG, but they no longer own part of the Dynamo... ;)
     
  13. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    16,145 at Thorns v Orlando game today.
     
  14. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2,400 in Washington.

    No report on Houston yet.
     
  16. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana St. Louis City

    St. Louis City SC
    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    I blame the league for starting the season on Easter weekend. Kids are on Spring break and people have other plans in place for this weekend. Should have held off another week.
     
  18. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think the holiday weekend definitely hurt, but it's Easter that moves around way more than NWSL opening weekend has. I like the idea that NWSL has essentially picked a weekend in April and has stuck with it the past several years. Until the season expands into upper-20s for total number of games, I think this works.

    Aside: damn, I hadn't heard Ching was gone in Houston! That's really sad. =-(
     
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  19. nick p

    nick p Member+

    Jul 11, 2009
    Baltimore Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Attendance was low, as expected. It's going to be a rough year for the Spirit with Gabarra as coach
     
  20. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I think we know the floor in Boyds.
     
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  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And, yet, at the college baseball game I was shooting, they set a new high for the season (about 20 home games so far)
     
  22. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Thorns attendance was a home opener record for them. But then, Oregon is the most "unchurched" state in the Union.
     
  23. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    True, but at the same time you usually expect your home opener to be one of the best-attended games of the year, so having a home opener below last year's average can in some ways be read as a disappointment. Granted, since it is Portland's best home opener to date, they don't strongly follow the pattern of having the home opener be one of the best of the year, but without that situational knowledge people might think less.
     
  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And play another set of midweek games?

    There are only so many weeks.
     
  25. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2016 Home Openers: 7,496 average (overall league 5,558)
    2015: 4,776 (5,053)
    2014: 6,073 (4,121)
    2013: 5,127 (4,270)

    Last year Houston, Kansas City and Orlando had their season highs in their home openers. (Orlando's was its inaugural, obviously.)
     
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