2017/2018 Academy News

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by patfan1, Jan 20, 2017.

  1. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every once in a while, I read here about how our Academy has done well.

    There are some (myself included) that don't quite believe that.

    Will Parchman ranks the MLS Academy programs.
     
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  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But Fagundez and Caldwell!

    Or does it count as "development" if your Academy brings in guys who are already pretty accomplished players?
     
  3. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on the description, the Revs are 17th and trending downward.

    But hey, at least we are better than Minnesota (no academy yet).
     
  4. VTSoccerFan

    VTSoccerFan Member+

    New England Revolution, Vermont Catamounts, NCFC
    United States
    Jun 28, 2002
    Cary, NC
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Now, that's what I'm talking about. Finally a powerhouse school (Indiana), a couple of universities in major conferences (Michigan State and Louisville) and some smaller schools that have qualified for the tournament (UNC Charlotte and Xavier). This is pretty encouraging; hopefully we're looking at a couple of these guys signing first team deals in two or three years.
     
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  7. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Academy GK product Austin Aviza is transferring from Syracuse to UConn.
     
  8. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Totally agree, but the key is whether they get playing time. Many of the Rev Academy grads may have gone to 2nd tier (if you want to call it that) soccer schools because they were unsure about being able to crack the starting lineup. Maybe this current crop is better, or maybe they're just more confident or maybe they're just more willing to take that challenge.

    But, if they play, like Caldwell did, that will be fantastic.
     
  9. forzamilano10

    forzamilano10 New Member

    Feb 2, 2017
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Good, he isn't going to get anytime behind Hendrick Hilpert.

     
  10. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like we just had a falling out with (arguably) the top-rated player in the academy.

    Rennicks is suspended for the rest of the DA season by the club and then will head to Indiana:

    https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/clu...spect-censured-by-revolution-academy_aid41534

    It's a real small-minded policy if you ask me. I get that MLS clubs don't want to lose their investments to Europe, but as the philosopher Princess Leia once said, "the more you tighten your grip, the more [they'll] slip through your fingers".
     
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  12. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was a really depressing read. I fully understand wanting to protect your interests but this seems to hurt the club more than the player since I am sure this is going to sour him on wanting to sign in NE if he comes good.
     
  13. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of our academy players went to Europe to train, how dare he! We'll punish him, so he knows who owns his rights. This will teach him. He'll never want to sign with anybody else when we get done with him.
     
  14. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I suspect there's a little more to this story ...
     
  15. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't seem like it. The article says the Revs have a rule that players can't train/trial abroad, Rennicks knew about it, and did it anyway.

    There seems to be little question that Rennicks knowingly violated Revs academy policy. The issue is that Revs academy policy is myopic.

    If the Revs focus on making themselves an attractive choice for their own academy players, everything else will take care of itself. There are many examples of players dipping their toes in foreign waters but eventually signing with the hometown team. Coming up with a dumb rule like this only serves to alienate young players who want to be sure of their options. And I'm sure Rennicks isn't the only kid seeing a negative message here.

    Imagine if Seattle suspended Morris for training with Werder Bremen. Sheesh.
     
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  16. a517dogg

    a517dogg Member+

    Oct 30, 2005
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Seems like the Revs backed themselves into a corner by even having this rule at all. But once they have it, they probably felt they had to enforce it somehow. IMO it would have made much more sense to just suspend him a couple of games, and then scrap the rule afterwards. Banning him the whole semester seems really stupid. You're weakening his bonds to the club right before he's going away to college.
     
  17. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So lots of teams have academies. How many of them have similar rules, and if they do, has this ever happened with one of them?
     
  18. a517dogg

    a517dogg Member+

    Oct 30, 2005
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    New England Revolution
     
  19. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, so it seems like there are other clubs equally (if not more) stupid. But that't the thing, if you want to be a "moneyball" teram you have to think things through. Big spending teams can be rigid idiots and let players slip though the cracks, but we can't.
     
  20. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say that the more appropriate quote is from post-WWII; "how you going to keep them down on the farm once they have seen Paris?"
     
  21. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the9...-wahl-how-much-they-spend-on-their-academies/

    Pulled from each individual questionnaire, here’s the ranked list of the nine who submitted figures on how much they spent in 2016 on their respective academy setups.

    New England Revolution: $1 million
    D.C. United: $1.5 million
    Montreal Impact: $1.5 million
    Chicago Fire: $1.75 million
    Columbus Crew: $2.5 million
    FC Dallas: $3 million
    Portland Timbers: $3 million
    LA Galaxy: $4 million
    Philadelphia Union: $4 million
     
  22. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's hard to compare those numbers independent of context and how each club does their accounting.
     
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  23. forzamilano10

    forzamilano10 New Member

    Feb 2, 2017
    Club:
    AC Milan


    Not sure I embedded this correctly.....anyways. Looks like Isaac Angking scored a goal vs Honduras....The U17 played two friendlies against the Hondurs U17s last week.
     
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  24. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That quote is actually IINM from WW 1 not WW 2
     

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