2016 U.S. Open Cup schedule

Discussion in 'US Open Cup' started by newtex, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    I missed the 1st half of the LAG game, but caught the 2nd half. They should have won in regulation, despite playing down a man because of a stupid red card by Rafa Garcia, but poor finishing sent the game into OT. Their 2nd goal was strange. Villarreal was laying on the ground, and everyone else was milling about, I guess waiting for a trainer. Meanwhile, the ref had never blown a whistle, so Husidic teed the ball up and sent it to Romney, who scored the easiest goal. Of course the La Maquina players were all over the ref, but after that the LAG superior fitness led to two more goals.
     
  2. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    #77 SJJ, Jun 15, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2016
    This is always a point of discussion when all teams from one level get eliminated. I have it that Kitsap had already clinched the prize money. The results (winner bolded, opponent's league in color):

    • May 11, La Maquina (USASA) [2:0] Portland Timbers U23s (PDL)
    • May 18, Sacramento Gold (NPSL) [0:2] La Maquina (USASA)
    • June 1, Los Angeles Wolves (USASA) [0:2] La Maquina (USASA)
    • June 14, La Maquina (USASA) [1:4 (AET)] Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS)

    • May 18, Seattle Sounders U23s (PDL) [0:1] Kitsap Pumas (PDL)
    • June 1, Kitsap Pumas (PDL) [3:1] Sacramento Republic (USL)
    • June 15, 10:30, Kitsap Pumas (PDL) -at- Seattle Sounders FC (MLS)

    The key is that La Maquina only defeated teams at their level (amateur teams). Kitsap already has a win against a team at a higher level. So by the rules, Kitsap has it.
     
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  3. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the 4th round update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2015180015801612134313021362
    R1180015801612134413041358
    R2180015801605136012921362
    R3180016031577137212891359
    R4180116061575137112891359


    Pretty much no changes at all this round, only minor shifting. 13 of the 15 MLS teams that faced non-MLS opposition advanced, but with a decent amount of extra time and PK games. The two non-MLS teams which advanced are both NASL teams, out of the 7 total NASL teams in this round.

    The ratings for the USL, PDL, NPSL, and USASA are all final for the year, as no more teams from these leagues/associations are still in the tournament.
     
  4. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    U.S. Open Cup, Results:
    FOURTH ROUND
    June 15 in Chester, Pa.
    Philadelphia Union (MLS) 3 (Restrepo 3, Alberg 45+1, 90+3)
    Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 2 (Foster 79, Warshaw 90+1).
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    June 15 in Bronx, N.Y.
    New York City FC (MLS) 0
    New York Cosmos (NASL) 1 (Szetela 88).
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    June 15 in Columbus, Ohio
    Columbus Crew (MLS) 4 (Meram 41, Martinez 48, Finlay 52 pen., Hollingsworth 65)
    Tampa Bay Rowdies (NASL) 0.
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    June 15 in Rochester, N.Y.
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) 0
    New York Red Bulls (MLS) 1 (Kljestan 20),
    ------------------------------------------------------
    June 15 in Jacksonville, Fla.
    Jacksonville Armada (NASL) 0
    Orlando City SC (MLS) 1 (Mateos 62).
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    June 15 inCary, N.C.
    Carolina RailHawks (NASL) 0
    New England Revolution (MLS) 1 (Herivaux 104).
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    June 15 in Bridgeview, Ill.
    Chicago Fire (MLS) 1 (Accam 111)
    Indy Eleven (NASL) 1 (Braun 105).
    (Chicago Fire wins 4-3 on penalties.)
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    June 15 in Boyds, Md.
    D.C. United (MLS) 0
    Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL) 0.
    (Fort Lauderdale Strikers win 4-3 on penalties.)
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    June 15 in Blaine, Minn.
    Minnesota United FC (NASL) 1 (Ramirez 81 pen.)
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 2 (Feilhaber 65 pen., Rubio 109).
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    June 15 in Dallas, Texas
    FC Dallas (MLS) 2 (Lizarazo 36, 45)
    OKC Energy FC (USL) 2 (Rideout 26, Thomas 90).
    (FC Dallas wins 6-5 on penalties.)
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    June 15 in Houston, Texas
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) 4 (Manotas 39, Alex 4+, Rodriguez 60, Miranda 66)
    San Antonio FC (USL) 0.
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    June 15 in Tukwila, Wash.
    Seattle Sounders (MLS) 2 (Roldan 71, J.Jones 90+1)
    Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 0.

    June 14 in Commerce City, Colo.
    Colorado Rapids (MLS) 1 (Serna 84)
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks (USL) 0.
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    June 14 in Sandy, Utah
    Real Salt Lake (MLS) 2 (Plata 65, Martinez 87)
    Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 2 (Corboz 34, Moose 58).
    (Real Salt Lake wins 3-1 on penalties.)
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    June 14 in Portland, Ore.
    Portland Timbers (MLS) 2 (Asprilla 35, McInerney 40)
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 0.
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    June 14 in Carson, Calif.
    LA Galaxy (MLS) 4 (Villarreal 15, Romney 96, Lletget pen. 105, 115)
    La Maquina (UPSL) 1 (Borboa 28).
     
  5. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    And the remaining schedule, after today's draw (QF, SF, F dates may be Tue or Wed; times for the R-16 are U.S. Eastern; host listed first for the R-16 and QF):

    • Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 8:30 PM, Chicago Fire *MLS -v- Columbus Crew SC *MLS, LHUSOC, R-16, Central
    • Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 10:00 PM, Real Salt Lake *MLS -v- Seattle Sounders FC *MLS, West, LHUSOC, R-16
    • Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 7:00 PM, Philadelphia Union *MLS -v- New York Red Bulls *MLS, East, LHUSOC, R-16
    • Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 7:30 PM, New York Cosmos *NASL -v- New England Revolution *MLS, East, LHUSOC, R-16
    • Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 7:30 PM, Orlando City SC *MLS -v- Fort Lauderdale Strikers *NASL, Central, LHUSOC, R-16
    • Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 8:30 PM, FC Dallas *MLS -v- Colorado Rapids *MLS, Plains, LHUSOC, R-16
    • Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 8:30 PM, Houston Dynamo *MLS -v- Sporting Kansas City *MLS, Plains, LHUSOC, R-16
    • Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 10:30 PM, Portland Timbers *MLS -v- LA Galaxy *MLS, West, LHUSOC, R-16

    • Tue, Jul 19, 2016, [Chicago Fire *MLS -v- Columbus Crew SC *MLS] -hosts- [Orlando City SC *MLS -v- Fort Lauderdale Strikers *NASL], Central, LHUSOC, QF
    • Tue, Jul 19, 2016, [Houston Dynamo *MLS -v- Sporting Kansas City *MLS] -hosts- [FC Dallas *MLS -v- Colorado Rapids *MLS], Plains, LHUSOC, QF
    • Tue, Jul 19, 2016, [New York Cosmos *NASL -v- New England Revolution *MLS] -hosts- [Philadelphia Union *MLS -v- New York Red Bulls *MLS], East, LHUSOC, QF
    • Tue, Jul 19, 2016, [Portland Timbers *MLS -v- LA Galaxy *MLS] -hosts- [Real Salt Lake *MLS -v- Seattle Sounders FC *MLS], West, LHUSOC, QF

    • Tue, Aug 9, 2016, [New York Cosmos *NASL -v- New England Revolution *MLS -v- Philadelphia Union *MLS -v- New York Red Bulls *MLS] -hostTBA- [Chicago Fire *MLS -v- Columbus Crew SC *MLS -v- Orlando City SC *MLS -v- Fort Lauderdale Strikers *NASL], LHUSOC, SF
    • Tue, Aug 9, 2016, [Houston Dynamo *MLS -v- Sporting Kansas City *MLS -v- FC Dallas *MLS -v- Colorado Rapids *MLS] -hostTBA- [Portland Timbers *MLS -v- LA Galaxy *MLS -v- Real Salt Lake *MLS -v- Seattle Sounders FC *MLS], LHUSOC, SF

    • Wed, Sep 21, 2016, [New York Cosmos *NASL -v- New England Revolution *MLS -v- Philadelphia Union *MLS -v- New York Red Bulls *MLS -v- Chicago Fire *MLS -v- Columbus Crew SC *MLS -v- Orlando City SC *MLS -v- Fort Lauderdale Strikers *NASL] -hostTBA- [Houston Dynamo *MLS -v- Sporting Kansas City *MLS -v- FC Dallas *MLS -v- Colorado Rapids *MLS -v- Portland Timbers *MLS -v- LA Galaxy *MLS -v- Real Salt Lake *MLS -v- Seattle Sounders FC *MLS], LHUSOC, F
     
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  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  7. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Fifth Round:

    Tuesday, June 28
    Chicago Fire (MLS) 2-1 Columbus Crew (MLS)
    Real Salt Lake (MLS) 1-1 (pks 1-4) Seattle Sounders (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 29
    Philadelphia Union (MLS) 2-1 New York Red Bulls (MLS)
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) 3-1 Sporting Kansas City (MLS)
    New York Cosmos (NASL) 2-3 New England Revolution (MLS)
    Orlando City (MLS) 1-2 (aet) Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL)
    FC Dallas (MLS) 2-1 (aet) Colorado Rapids (MLS)
    Portland Timbers (MLS) 0-1 Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS)

    Quarterfinals
    July 19 or 20
    Chicago v. Fort Lauderdale
    New England v. Philadelphia
    Houston v. Dallas
    LA Galaxy v. Seattle
     
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  9. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the 5th round update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2015180015801612134313021362
    R1180015801612134413041358
    R2180015801605136012921362
    R3180016031577137212891359
    R4180116061575137112891358
    R5179416131575137112891358


    NASL gets a small boost this round, on the back of Ft. Lauderdale's win. Only MLS and NASL rankings can change from here on out. NASL has a much bigger upside than a downside (and vice versa for MLS), because all wins by an NASL side are against a team of higher rank, and worth a lot, but wins by an MLS side are expected, so not worth much.

    Note: Small correction on USASA's score in R4.
     
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  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #85 newtex, Jun 30, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2016
    Quarterfinals:
    Home team first. Times are EDT.

    Wednesday, July 20
    New England Revolution (MLS) v. Philadelphia Union (MLS) 7:30 pm
    Chicago Fire (MLS) v. Fort Lauderdale Strikers (NASL) 8:30 pm
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) v. FC Dallas (MLS) 8:30 pm
    LA Galaxy (MLS) v. Seattle Sounders (MLS) 10:30 pm

    Semifinals
    August 10 at locations TBD.
    New England/Philadelphia winner v. Chicago/Fort Lauderdale winner
    Houston/Dallas winner v. Galaxy/Seattle winner
     
  11. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    Just to point out a bit of irony (using this as a news-and-notes thread): in case you missed the news, an NWSL women's game was moved to a micro-sized pitch, getting a lot of criticism. Isn't it interesting that a year or two ago, USSF gave out forfeits for having qualifying matches on small-sized fields. So they staunchly defended field sizes for their men's knockout tournament, then pulls a brain-freeze on this one.
    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/nwsl-general-info-comments-news.1981032/page-201#post-34307649
     
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  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see any report of the USSF approving this small field. It looks to me like it was a NWSL decision.
     
  13. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    According to the USSF professional league standards (which apply to both men's and women's professional leagues), fields must be at least 70 yds in width, and and 110 yds long.

    http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?page_id=5449

    Unless NWSL has been given a waiver for field size, USSF definitely has a say in whether a field of this size should be allowed.
     
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I'm pretty sure that the USSF gives the leagues the ability to issue waivers.

    From the 2013 USSF annual Board minutes:
    http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/mig...2013/bod-minutes-kansas-city-120813.pdf?la=en

    The minutes from last December don't specifically mention field size but they do say that the waivers requested were approved. It wouldn't surprise me if the NWSL again asked for waivers on field size.

     
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  15. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    http://www.socceramerica.com/articl...strikers-carry-nasl-banner.html?edition=15868

    NASL's Ft. Lauderdale Strikers play the Chicago Fire, winner of four Open Cup titles.

    U.S. Open Cup Championships:
    4 Chicago Fire
    4 Seattle Sounders
    2 LA Galaxy
    1 FC Dallas
    1 New England Revolution

    Ft. Lauderdale had never beaten an MLS team going back to its days as Miami FC, before beating D.C. United in a shootout and Orlando City with a dramatic 2-1 win in overtime. The Strikers, suffering from cash-flow issues, have not won a game since the Orlando City game, losing their last three game and going winless in its first four matches of the NASL’s fall season. They had gone 4-0-1 to get back in the NASL spring race before finishing 4-3-3, three points off the lead.
     
  16. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  17. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the final update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2015180015801612134313021362
    R1180015801612134413041358
    R2180015801605136012921362
    R3180016031577137212891359
    R4180116061575137112891358
    R5179416131575137112891358
    2016179816091575137112891358


    With Chicago eliminating Ft. Lauderdale, only MLS teams remain in the competition, meaning that these ratings are now final. MLS stands pat on the year, with NASL gaining *very* slightly on them. NASL also broke back above USL. PDL closed a little bit of the gap up to the professional divisions, while USASA stood pat, and NPSL dropped yet further.
     
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  18. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    oh no please say it ain't so...to both of your statements!

    U.S. Open Cup Schedule:
    Semifinals
    Aug. 9
    New England Revolution vs. Chicago Fire
    Aug. 10
    LA Galaxy vs. FC Dallas
    Note: Venues to be announced on Thursday
    Final: Sept. 21


    http://www.socceramerica.com/articl...evs-and-fc-dallas-win-late.html?edition=15874
     
  19. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Ahh, I see the confusion. This is the final one for 2016, I intend to return next year, but who knows, as that is 9 months away.
     
  20. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
  21. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
    sadly...he isn't wrong:

    http://www.firsttouchonline.com/why-isnt-the-us-open-cup-a-big-deal/

    With a 4-2 win over New England Revolution on a hot Tuesday night in Frisco, Texas, FC Dallas claimed the 2016 Lamar Hunt US Open Cup. The Open Cup, now having completed its 103rd edition, resides in a very strange place within a sport and culture in America that itself has an odd place all its own; the USOC is a dark corner of the creepiest room of an abandoned insane asylum. It is a relic that everyone loves but nobody cares about. The monument nobody visits, yet everyone protests the plans to knock it down and build something useful there. It gently nestles into a spot where it can serve as everything to everyone and nothing to anybody.
     
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