2016 U.S. Open Cup schedule

Discussion in 'US Open Cup' started by newtex, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    With 1 game to play in the 2nd round:
    Home teams went 14-6 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 13-4
    USASA 3-3
    PDL 3-5
    NPSL 1-7
    USSSA 0-1

    For the entire tournament so far:
    Home teams have went 25-17 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 13-4
    USASA 10-8
    USSSA 1-1
    PDL 11-15
    NPSL 8-14
    USCS 0-1

    I corrected the standings in light of the 1st round forfeit by Ventura County.
     
  2. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    ELO ratings should go up tonight upon the completion of the last R2 game. I've corrected the results so they don't include the forfeit/invalid game in R1.
     
  3. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the 2nd round update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
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    R1180015801612134413041358
    R2180015801605136012921362


    NOTE: The R1 scores have changed since my last post due to a scratched result. It didn't make a huge impact, but it did make one.

    PDL made a bit of a leap this round, NPSL a bit of a drop. USL and USASA both made small adjustments up.
    Edit: NOTE: These scores do account for a scratched result in R2 as well.
     
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  4. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    http://www.postandcourier.com/20160...ove-on-in-us-open-cup-after-villages-forfeit-

    That is the 2nd overturned result, one in each round, for the same offense; using a player that had previously played for a different team in the amateur qualifying tournament.
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Updated and corrected statistics reflecting Thursday's game and change of Charleston/The Villages result:

    2nd round
    Home teams went 15-6 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 14-3
    USASA 3-4
    PDL 3-6
    NPSL 1-7
    USSSA 0-1

    For the entire tournament so far:
    Home teams have went 26-17 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 14-3
    USASA 10-9
    USSSA 1-1
    PDL 11-16
    NPSL 8-14
    USCS 0-1
     
  6. FootySkeptic

    FootySkeptic Member

    Sep 24, 2015
    Club:
    Cardiff City FC
    DQ's to be asterisked or separated from the advancement numbers? IMO they should be...
     
  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Country:
    United States
    not sure that's appropriate though. If memory serves, DQs are recorded as 3-0 losses.
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Not for the U.S. Open Cup. Usually they are 1-0 losses. I looked into that last year. Apparently the particular competition can use whatever score they want. 3-0 is typical in league or group play situations but in a knock-out tournament 1-0 works just as well.
     
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  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    If the team advances, I count that as an advancement.
     
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  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Country:
    United States
    Thanks for the correction.

    But the end result is the same though. If USSF used the ELO rating, it would be recorded as a loss rather than something else.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Apr 18, 2015
    La Maquina were put on double secret probation following a melee against San Nicolas FC in December. I hope they win and get Galaxy and Nigel de Jong in the next round.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Apr 18, 2015
    La Máquina FC vs LA Wolves - I assume the winner will play Galaxy.

    Here are the original LA Wolves playing the Washington Whips in the first televised US championship final shown on US TV.



    The teams were actually Wolverhampton Wanderers from England and Aberdeen from from Scotland transported to the US to fulfill a TV contract.

    Wikipedia..
    In 1966 a group of sports entrepreneurs, led by Jack Kent Cooke and including Lamar Hunt and Steve Stavro, formed a consortium known as the North American Soccer League with the intention of forming a professional soccer league in North America. This group was subsequently sanctioned by both the USSFA and FIFA. However a rival consortium known as the National Professional Soccer League also emerged and to avoid confusion Cooke renamed his consortium the United Soccer Association.

    The USA originally intended to launch its league in the spring of 1968. However the NPSL, which secured a TV contract from CBS, announced it was ready to launch in 1967. Not wanting to lose ground to its rival, the USA decided to fast track its launch. Without any players of its own, it opted to import whole teams from Europe and South America.
     
  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Third Round
    NASL teams enter in this round.
    Home teams first, times are EDT.

    Wednesday, June 1
    Jacksonville Armada v. Charleston Battery (USL) 7:00 pm
    Fort Lauderdale Strikers v. Richmond Kickers (USL) 7:00 pm
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) v. Lansdowne Bhoys (NY)(USASA) 7:00 pm
    Tampa Bay Rowdies v. FC Cincinnati (USL) 7:30 pm
    Carolina RailHawks v. Charlotte Independence (USL) 7:30 pm
    NY Cosmos v. Jersey Express (PDL) 7:30 pm
    Indy Eleven v. Louisville City (USL) 7:30 pm
    Chattanooga FC (NPSL) v. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    Miami FC v. Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 8:00 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL) v. Minnesota United 8:00 pm
    Rayo OKC v. OKC Energy (USL) 8:00 pm
    Des Moines Menace (PDL) v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Arizona United (USL) v. Colorado Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:30 pm
    La Maquina (CA)(USASA) v. LA Wolves (USASA) 10:00 pm
    Sacramento Republic (USL) v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 pm

    The Fourth Round is June 15.
     
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 4th Round pairings

    Without regard to hosting since there are some conditional ones.

    Wednesday, June 15
    Philadelphia Union v. Chattanooga/Harrisburg winner
    DC United v. Fort Lauderdale/Richmond winner
    New England Revolution v. Charlotte Independence/Carolina RailHawks winner
    New York City FC v. NY Cosmos/Jersey Express winner
    New York Red Bulls v. Rochester/Landsdowne winner
    Orlando City v. Jacksonville/Charleston winner
    Columbus Crew v. Cincinnati/Tampa Bay winner
    Chicago Fire v. Indy Eleven/Louisville winner
    Sporting Kansas City v. Minnesota United/Saint Louis winner
    FC Dallas v. Rayo OKC/OKC Energy winner
    Houston Dynamo v. Des Moines/San Antonio winner
    Real Salt Lake v. Wilmington/Miami FC winner
    Colorado Rapids v. Co. Springs/Arizona United winner
    Seattle Sounders v. Kitsap Pumas/Sacramento Republic winner
    LA Galaxy v. LA Wolves/La Maquina winner
    San Jose Earthquakes v. Portland Timbers
     
  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Country:
    United States
    So NASL teams just happened to win all the draws? o_O
     
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Not all of them. Just 8 out of 9. The hosting standards go up each round so it is likely that a lot of lower division teams didn't even apply to host.

    MLS is similar in the 4th round. As many as 13 of the 17 MLS teams will host depending on the 3rd round results.
     
  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    In terms of how many Fourth Round games MLS clubs could host, it's really 13 out of 16 because in the game with two MLS clubs they can't both host.

    Since MLS started, what's the latest round a club below MLS has hosted a game in?
     
  18. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #44 newtex, May 25, 2016
    Last edited: May 25, 2016
    Yeah, good point. I was just counting hosts and forgot about the MLSvMLS game.

    In 2014, the Carolina RailHawks and Atlanta Silverbacks of NASL hosted 2 of the 4 quarterfinals.
    There have been others.

    There have been some lower division teams host in the semifinals:

    1996 - Rochester (A League)
    1997 - SF Seals (USL-2)
    2008 - Charleston (USL)

    I think that's it since 1996.

    Remember that hosting used to be a bid situation so that affects it somewhat. Also, back in the 90s the semifinals and final were sometimes at neutral fields.
     
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  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Country:
    United States
    Are NASL stadiums that much better than USL stadiums though?

    oh well. Wish USSF was more open about who applied to host and who didn't.
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    It is not about the stadiums being better. The fees and other costs like referees go up each round so it is about what teams think they can afford. Plus, in the 3rd Round the USL teams might be hosting their 2nd game so they might have wiped out their budget on that first game.
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Apr 18, 2015
    #47 Paul Berry, May 25, 2016
    Last edited: May 25, 2016
    2014 1/4 final
    Carolina 2, Dallas 5 - Wakemed (att. 4,169)
    Atlanta 1, Chicago 3 - Atlanta Silverbacks Park (att. 5,327)

    2008 semi-final
    Charleston 1, Seattle 1 - played at Blackbaud Stadium (att. 3,798)

    2007 semi-final
    Seattle 1, Dallas 1 - played at QWest - (att. 10, 365)
    New England 2, Carolina 1 - played at New Britain (att. 4,200)

    1999 semi-final
    Charleston 0, Colorado 3 ) Double-header at Virginia Beach
    Rochester 3, Columbus 2 ) Sportsplex (att. 2,109)

    1995 final ;)
    El Paso 1, Richmond 4 (att. 7,378)




    I think NYCFC would ask Cosmos to host if they were drawn against each other.
     
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  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    NYCFC was already chosen to host in the 4th Round when they might play the Cosmos. They are hosting the game at Fordham University. The Cosmos usually have to move their Open Cup games as well. Their "home" game next week is at St. John's University .
     
  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That didn't take long to be incorrect. Fort Lauderdale has moved their game up to 11:00 am due to an international friendly in the stadium that evening.

    Third Round

    NASL teams enter in this round.
    Home teams first, times are EDT.

    Wednesday, June 1
    Fort Lauderdale Strikers v. Richmond Kickers (USL) 11:00 am
    Jacksonville Armada v. Charleston Battery (USL) 7:00 pm
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) v. Lansdowne Bhoys (NY)(USASA) 7:00 pm
    Tampa Bay Rowdies v. FC Cincinnati (USL) 7:30 pm
    Carolina RailHawks v. Charlotte Independence (USL) 7:30 pm
    NY Cosmos v. Jersey Express (PDL) 7:30 pm
    Indy Eleven v. Louisville City (USL) 7:30 pm
    Chattanooga FC (NPSL) v. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    Miami FC v. Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 8:00 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL) v. Minnesota United 8:00 pm
    Rayo OKC v. OKC Energy (USL) 8:00 pm
    Des Moines Menace (PDL) v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Arizona United (USL) v. Colorado Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:30 pm
    La Maquina (CA)(USASA) v. LA Wolves (USASA) 10:00 pm
    Sacramento Republic (USL) v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 pm

    The Fourth Round is June 15.
     
  24. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States

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