2016 Preseason

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  1. Skevin

    Skevin Member+

    Aug 9, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Preseason matches mean nothing. For all we know, Bruce could have been trying a new tactic with all the players and it failed. A lot of teams from various sports have terrible preseasons or good ones, but then when the league starts it suddenly switches.
     
  2. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe we were playing possum to lull Seattle into a false sense of security.

    More seriously, I think we learned that this particular version of our backline does not have the recover speed to play a high line.
     
  3. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    FYP.
     
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  4. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe, but Cole, Van Damme and De Jong probably all have a lot of experience in playing under these kind of conditions and should have been able to adjust, one would think. After the first two or three times Seattle scored or threatened on essentially the same play, its time to recognize that Plan A is not working all that well.
     
  5. rtdavide

    rtdavide Member+

    Apr 20, 2005
    Whittier, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love playing in the rain, but it doesn't make for a fast game. the ball will just sit in water.
    watching the recap last night, the pitch was soaked. as fast as some of seattle's players might be, it's hard to imagine the conditions helping them. a defender running back can run just as fast in the rain, but an attacker isn't going to run fast with the ball at his feet in the rain.

    i didn't get to watch the game, but when i came in and saw we were beaten 4-0, that's pretty dismal. i had just started to get some confidence in the team too.
     
  6. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    The pitch seemed incredibly water logged, I get the sense it was developed without the same kind of drainage a pitch in rainier climes gets. My knees & muscles ached just watching players change direction. As I mentioned in another post, I think the fact the backline and De Jong have played a grand total of about 120 minutes together means they’re still working on Plan A. It was unquestionably a dismal performance, I’m just not sure there’s much to be gleaned from it.
     
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  7. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    But if you’re heading towards the attacker and they get by you, stoping, changing direction and getting up to speed is harder to do on a water logged pitch. That doesn’t explain or excuse everything, but certainly if you’re playing a high line, it’s going to have a greater impact than if you’re parking the bus.
     
  8. FlapJack

    FlapJack Member+

    Mar 3, 2006
    Los Angeles
    I think the rain and the scoreline contributed to the effort put forth by the millionaires (or lack thereof after 29 minutes). It will be interesting to see if they respond when they get down in a real game. I saw some fire out of Van Damme and De Jong but I don't think that's going to be enough. Unless we can stop turning over the ball, I think maybe Gerrard, Gio, and Cole need to see some time on the bench so we can shore up defensively. And Keane and Zardes do not seem sharp finishing - I'd like to see whoever is in the best form of Villareal or Magee get a chance to see if they can make their touches count.
     
  9. FlapJack

    FlapJack Member+

    Mar 3, 2006
    Los Angeles
    For those who haven't watched the match, I suggest you watch De Jong's tackle at around min 44 and Stevie G go down in the box and then turn it off.
     
  10. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    --other--
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    #435 SoCalYid, Feb 18, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2016
    Bruce is still trying to shoehorn players into the same tactics. He relies a lot on individual quality overcoming the lack of tactical approach. That can work when you have intelligent and skilled players like Donovan but you can't just throw players out there in a basic formation and expect them to figure it out. He's still not adapting based on the situation and that was a problem last season. It's preseason but being preseason it would be a good chance to work on things like that.

    I said earlier playing 4-4-2 from jump was a bad idea. We keep saying we knew how Seattle were going to play, then why not consider that in how you approach the match, especially in those conditions. I'm not sure how Bruce thinks it's going to improve when guys like Lletget get fully fit. Playing fullbacks who aren't the most disciplined, two inverted wingers and two strikers one who relies on service from players not built to provide it as traditional wide players is going to make us imbalanced and given the opponent toothless.

    Yeah it's preseason, the pitch conditions weren't the best but if we don't take any lessons whatsoever from the match and continue thinking everything is fine and will work itself out then we could be in trouble at some point. There were warning signs in the match which should be addressed and similar ones in matches we won/drew.
     
  11. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    Also this feeds into why I like Zardes more inverted on the left. You can see in matches like against Seattle when playing in the middle he relies on service to be relevant, when that's not forthcoming it becomes a problem. If he was playing the left he would be able to go and find the game better, get involved. Also the supporting defending on the left probably would have been better.
     
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  12. pastor

    pastor Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    It was good for them to get a wake up call! It is not going to be a walk in the park for them. Timing on this was perfect.
     
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  13. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    This is one of the problems with the win-now mentality. It will take half the season for the team to jell and then the old players leave and we have to start over next year.

    I'm actually fine with Zardes being up top. If you think about crosses, there are those high into the box, low across the face of the goal, and then pull-backs towards the top of the box. Both Keane and Gio like to hang out at the top of the box so that limits things to only one type of cross which makes it easy to defend.

    I think the defense is fixable if Cole and Rogers stay home more, but Bruce seems to like them because they push forward, which is a problem.

    And yes, it's extremely early and I wouldn't actually do this, but I'm not convinced that we wouldn't play better if we lined up as:

    -------Keane------Zardes
    Boateng----------Lletget
    -----------Husidic----------
    ----------DeJong----------


    Obviously if Gerrard and Gio figure things out then their upside is much higher. But I'm starting to wonder if they'll figure it out.
     
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  14. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Stage IV
     
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  15. 73Bruin

    73Bruin Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Torrance, California
    I have see high school football games there that were even worse. I don't think stub hub center has real drainage (at least in EPL field terms). It just ponds up. Cobi even alluded to this during the broadcast, and implied it was a conscious decision to the small amount of rain we get (on average).
     
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  16. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    --other--
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    United States
    Keane and Zardes in a 4-4-2 isn't a bad idea at all. How we're trying to run it is a bad idea. You can come up with a lot of formations that would have less quality and dynamism that work better than what we're trying because it's more balanced.
     
  17. phoenixhazard

    phoenixhazard Member+

    Oct 26, 2010
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    after watching this maybe we want to be more conservative next week? Husidic and De Jong in midfield since Keane drops back so much? Zardes has not looked good so far and Gio is lost as well.

    STILL! Lets not forget fat Sigi started basically the same 11 as he did last season whereas our 11 was almost 1/2 new and some out of position from last season. Seems like Bruce decided to take this a little more as a preseason game with some experimentation while Sigi just put his starting XI in
     
  18. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually think that a water-logged field helps to beat an offside trap. You can send a ball over the top and it will stop before it gets to the GK or end-line, so the fastest player running on to it will win it. It definitely helped Morris out.
     
  19. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Games played for the Galaxy from last night’s starting 11.

    Boateng: [3]
    Cole: [3]
    de Jong: [2]
    dos Santos: 10
    Gerrard: 13
    Keane: 108
    Rogers: 57
    Rowe: 14
    Steres: [0]
    Van Damme: [3]
    Zardes: 88

    Robbie Keane has played more games for the Galaxy than the rest of the starters, less Zardes, combined and that’s being generous counting pre-season games for Boating, Cole, de Jong, Steres and Van Damme
     
  20. jmaestro

    jmaestro Member+

    Mar 27, 2008
    Bakersfield
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm trying not to read too much into this for the season based on the team's limited practice and game time. But at the same time, if you were on the fence about writing off the CCL against Santos as a total loss.....well, now's the time to get your expectations WAY down so you don't Feel The Rage when we go out with a whimper.
     
  21. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    --other--
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    United States
    #446 SoCalYid, Feb 18, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2016
    An experiment for Bruce would have been trying something different against Seattle when everyone knew Seattle were going to do. It's basically the same tactics he used last year against Seattle and other counter attacking sides (with a couple changes) and the same flaws were there. You could argue the scoreline was lopsided because of the unfamiliarity and conditions but we play that same team against Seattle, Portland, Dallas, Vancouver, etc. in the second half I'm not sure what we expect to happen.

    I get the argument of trying to build cohesion in a team of players that barely know each other but trying to have a cohesive disjointed team, is that even possible? I'm just confused what exactly they're learning. Also surely he's not going to be playing that 4-4-2 against Santos, that could end very badly. Shouldn't that be the match we're preparing for a little bit? Playing a 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 would actually prepare us better for that match.

    I know it's preseason but I just don't take the position that there's no lessons to be learned and just chalk it up to poor conditions and new players. Also I don't think we should overlook some of the particular failings and just sweep it under the rug.

    He's barely played with this team but Cole should know how to deal with a player like Morris better. That type of player he's played against literally his whole life in England. Also having watched all his matches at Roma that looked very familiar.
     
  22. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    #447 SoCalYid, Feb 18, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2016
    Set piece defending and organization has been a problem for awhile. I don't think it's a coincidence that when things aren't going well it pops up. Hopefully that will improve with time but I do think it's a coaching issue the fact it persists and we look disorganized on set plays/dead ball situations.
     
  23. rtdavide

    rtdavide Member+

    Apr 20, 2005
    Whittier, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that's a good point. i didn't actually see the game, so I probably shouldn't be commenting too much
     
  24. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    --other--
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    United States
    Oh and sorry, I didn't answer your question.

    I personally would play like this against Santos.


    ----------------Keane
    --------------Gio/Gerrard
    Boateng---De Jong---Husidic---Zardes
    Cole----Van Damme----Steres------Rogers
    ------------------Kennedy

    That would actually be a good match to have Larentowicz instead of Husidic. Let De Jong play more box to box which he can do. If Lletget is fit I would swap out Boateng and maybe flip the wings. Also the way both are playing Magee wouldn't be the worse option in the hole, even off the bench.
     
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  25. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Larentowicz is still recovering from pre-season hernia surgery. I think he's supposed to be training again this week but based on fitness he's a no-go for the CCL.
     
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