2016 adidas MLS Player Combine List

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by SoccerIsOurLife, Dec 11, 2015.

  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    For the record, I post nothing but facts about ACC soccer.

    The facts speak for themselves.

    Some of those facts are negative. Most are positive because of the conference's historical dominance.
     
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  2. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    i know it doesn't exist on a national scale like the sec crap, but neither does college soccer. after the ncaa tournament games being mostly broadcast by acc commentators, it is just a little much. and sandon is right. the facts are there because they are good.

    edit: and why is there a week's break between the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft!?

    it's the middle january, and i'm grumpy. 22 days until i have a week at the beach. woosah.
     
  3. Panenka

    Panenka New Member

    Nov 14, 2014
    False.
     
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  4. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    ACC certainly been the top 1 or 2 leagues for the past 10 years. But team for team, Pac-12 has been in the same ball park. The big 10, Big East, and powerhouse teams like Akron, New Mexico, and Creighton were also strong. The championship's you like to point to are a function of the way NCAA chooses to set up its competition, not the dominance of the ACC. Stanford had to travel across the country to play Wake and barely got by them. Once they got to a neutral place where both teams had to travel about the same distance, the results were vastly different. I have put together a West vs the rest for a couple of years. The home field advantage is significant. Many years the final 4 was held in or very close to ACC colleges (NC, Virginia, Alabama). When the final 4 was held in California in 2010 and 2004, the ACC teams lost every game much like probably would been the case if the ACC teams weren't fortunate to get paired against each other in KC. Those are the facts.
     
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  5. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    Tuesday - 5 days between rounds 1&2 and 3&4.
     
  6. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    that doesn't answer the question.
     
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  7. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    A week is not 5 days.

    If you are asking why there are 5 days between the "Super"draft and the supplemental, my supposition is that it gives teams to get back home, reassess their needs and the available players and create a plan for Tuesday.

    The suppplemental draft will go much faster.
     
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  8. Monroe duck

    Monroe duck Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    How many of those drafted in the supplemental draft will make a 1st roster? Or do those players typically end up on 2nd team rosters?
     
  9. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Very few. Most will be in USL or NASL if they continue to pursue playing after college. Last year only 26 drafted players played a single minute or more in an MLS game. Of those 26, all but 4 were in the first 40 picks.
     
  10. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    The better the MLS gets the less likely players from the draft will play right away. That's a good thing.
     
  11. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Define "better the MLS gets."

    Right now, from every statistic I've seen, MLS leads all but one professional soccer league in percentages of international players in the league at over 40% -- Cyprus was the only other that was more.

    Some would say it's "better" now, but look at the complaints of our USMNT. No development opportunities for our younger players at the pro level isn't necessarily "better."
     
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  12. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you have data on that? I find it very hard to believe that MLS uses a smaller percentage of American players than the EPL uses English players.
     
  13. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll see if I can find it. I use to have it.

    Big European leagues are around 20-35%, depending on which league. There's actually been momentum of England and Italy both reducing their international make-up, mainly stemming from their lack of success by the national teams. Italians are really upset that their identity is lost. England has proposals of getting more of their players on rosters, but not just that, getting more of their domestic players first-team minutes.

    While England may have a decent percentage of domestic players, international players get the bulk of the minutes. That doesn't help anything either. Very similar to what we see in MLS with their 2015 draft class having 5 players only see 20+ games. Poor.

    I'll see if I can dig up the info.
     
  14. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, with an unlimited roster filled with youth players who rarely play, it's possible the EPL has a higher percentage of domestic players. MLS definitely has more domestic minutes, though. I don't have my computer & spreadsheet at the moment, but US-eligible players finished 2015 with around 52% of the minutes and another 5% went to domestically produced players who aren't US citizens or who play for other countries like Fagundez, Lahoud, Moises Hernandez, Rodney Wallace, Beitashour, Will Johnson, and many others.
     
  15. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Direct from MLSsoccer.com in April 2015 (sidetracked...I despise that URL):

    That would be roughly 42% of the League being international.

    Compared to other US sports:

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/...erse-professional-sports-league-north-america
     
  16. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    Better meaning level of play with higher pay meaning quality veteran players meaning that it will be tougher to crack the lineup your first year.
     
  17. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More info on what I was talking about across the pond (article from fall 2015):

    http://www.espnfc.com/blog/marcotti...opment-in-soccer-is-a-nature-vs-nurture-issue

    Crazy that it's seen as an "issue" abroad. Meanwhile...in MLS, they are bragging about diversity. And, those numbers could also be skewed since the "homegrown" and/or "club-trained" determination only means one has to spend around 3 years at a club between ages 15-21. As we all know, many times a 17 or 18 year old isn't exactly "homegrown" or "club-trained" if he/she only is there from then until 20-21 years old. Much development and training is done way before then.
     
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  18. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    You clearly do not live in the South
     
  19. bhoys

    bhoys Member+

    Aug 21, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
  20. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't find his argument very convincing. Many sports leagues around the world similarly cycle through players.

    Also this:

    doesn't show much understanding of MLS structure. Yes, contracts are technically held by the league, but the team has the player's rights and has just as much interest in a player as a club in another country would have in their player.
     
  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    What happened to Soffner in 2015? It doesn't look like he played anywhere.
     
  22. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DMN, I present you the Soffner Goalkeeping Academy
     
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  23. bhoys

    bhoys Member+

    Aug 21, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
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  24. SoccerIsOurLife

    Feb 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://buffalonews.com/2016/12/14/ubs-cicerone-becomes-first-big-4-player-invited-mls-combine/

    A record-setting career at the University at Buffalo has opened doors for the Bulls' Russell Cicerone.

    The 2015 Mid-American Conference Player of the Year and four-time All-MAC selection was chosen to participate in the Major League Soccer Combine, which unites roughly 70 of the nation's top college players for five days preceding the MLS SuperDraft. The Bloomfield Hills, Mich. native becomes the first-ever Bull -- and Big 4 player -- to be selected to the event.
     
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