2016-17 Offseason "Draft's" consolidated thread

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by COMtnGuy, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. kucsdat

    kucsdat Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    Did not see that coming, but here is his DU profile
     
  2. zapem_10

    zapem_10 Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I liked the kid when he was at DU. Gritty, tough, leader vocally and by example on the field. Wasn't the most talented or athletic...but he ran his ass off. Pure Pablo pick. Apparently didn't have a very good combine. Not likely to be an impact immeadiate starter. Kind of like you took Sam Cronin grit and mixed it with Powers box to box style.
     
  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems like a more long-term pick. I expect he'll spend a good chunk of 2017 in Charlotte.
     
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  4. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Next pick is Liam Callahan D Syracuse

    Edit: Plays LB
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With their second round pick at #2 (#24 overall) the Rapids took Liam Callahan, a left back out of Syracuse.

    Some concerns about his ability to stand up to a full MLS season but you like having options at LB.
     
  6. pdid10

    pdid10 Member+

    Aug 8, 2008
    Boulder
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    No one had Hamilton going in the first round. Jacori Hayes, Zeiko Lewis were still available. Oh well these things are crapshoots anyways.
     
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  7. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, Scouting has a long ways to go still and that applies to National Youth Teams as well
     
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm hoping that him being a local boy means the Rapids have seen something in him nobody else has and that's why he was lower ranked than the pick we used on him.
     
  9. kucsdat

    kucsdat Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    Must have been afraid Pareja would have picked him before our 2nd round pick ;)
     
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  10. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It sounds like they had a lot of looks at Hamilton:

    "Sam was training with the guys this summer over at the Rapids,” Pioneers coach Jamie Franks said. “They’ve seen his body of work, they’ve seen him develop over the years.”

    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/13/sam-hamilton-rapids-superdraft/

    Also like ESPN FC's take on the pick:

    "In regard to selection, the Rapids provided the biggest shock of the first round, grabbing University of Denver midfielder Sam Hamilton. He didn't make much of an impression at the combine and wasn't expected to go in the first round. But in Colorado's defense, this is a local product it had the chance to see many times at Denver. It isn't the first time the Rapids have made a pick out of left field in the first round, either. Two years ago, Colorado selected an unheralded defender named Axel Sjoberg, who has developed into a defender of the year finalist."

    http://www.espnfc.us/major-league-s...-solid-picks-surprises-and-trade-transparency
     
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  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They did the same thing last year too. Emmanuel Appiah was picked 15th (sounds familiar) when most considered him a deep 2nd round pick. Appiah made two appearances with Charlotte before being released by the Rapids. BTW, Axel was taken 14th the year before.

    So its pretty clear whatever method the Rapids are using recently to value college players it doesn't map to what everyone else is using. The question is are they finding more Sjobergs or Appiahs with their method? If they get a Sjoberg every other year or so then their method is working even if the rest of their first round picks are Appiahs. If Sjoberg is the exception though then we have a problem.
     
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  12. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    That seems like a high bar to pluck a Sjoberg every other year out of the lower half of the 1st round...does anyone but Sporting KC do that? (BTW I thought it was interesting they picked up Appiah after the Rapids let him go.)

    Here's recent drafts #14-20.

    2012 #14-20
    14 Tony Cascio
    15 Andrew Duran
    16 Dom Dwyer
    17 Enzo Martinez
    18 Colin Rolfe
    19 Tommy Meyer
    20 Calum Mallace

    2013 #14-20
    14 Mikey Lopez
    15 Tommy Muller
    16 Emery Welshman
    17 Taylor Kemp
    18 Fernando Monge
    19 Charlie Rugg
    20 Ryan Hollingshead

    2014 #14-20
    (Hairston was picked #12 this season)
    14 Ben Sweat
    15 Pedro Ribeiro
    16 AJ Cochran
    17 Schillo Tshuma
    18 Ryan Neil
    19 Grant Van De Casteele (Watts was Rapids' next pick at #33)
    20 Tommy McNamara

    2015 #14-20
    14 Axel Sjoberg
    15 Otis Earle
    16 Cristian Roldan
    17 Miguel Aguilar
    18 Leo Stolz
    19 Sergio Campbell
    20 Amadou Dia

    2016 #14-20
    14 Kyle Fisher
    15 Emmanuel Appiah
    16 Cole Seilder
    17 Ryan Herman
    18 Justin Bilyeu
    19 Rodrigo Saravia
    20 Ben Polk

    Also, if the Rapids keep drafting the 14th or higher...I'll take that.
     
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  13. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Actually, SporKS in those drafts haven't gotten much in since pulling Dom Dwyer #16 in 2012. (2015 was pretty good though.) They also traded away some of those 1st rounders:

    2012:
    16 Dom Dwyer
    30 Cyprian Hedrick

    2013:
    14 Mikey Lopez

    2014:
    (Their natural #19 pick sent to the Revs Revs in the Benny Feilhaber trade; it ended up with the Rapids)
    38 Adnan Gabeljic
    41 Peter Schmetz
    57 Alex Martinez
    76 Reinaldo Brenes

    2015:
    10 Connor Hallisey
    12 Saad Abdul-Salaam
    20 Amadou Dia
    53 James Rogers
    73 Tony Rocha

    2016:
    (Their natural #11 went to DC United for TAM)
    52 Ryan James
    72 Faik Hajderovic
     
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  14. Soaker888

    Soaker888 Member+

    Feb 21, 2012
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Seems like it's mostly a crap shoot. Commitment, hard work, long term trajectory are all important characteristics for determining a successful choice in the college draft. Not to mention the right player with the right team. Most true standout players (especially attacking) won't be found in this draft, they've already been ID'd as such by other leagues or homegrown talent (I know that's not new news around here). The draft is fun and creates buzz about possibilities, but I think ultimately plays a bit part in the league's talent pool.
     
  15. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure the Rapids Draft history means much sense PB is gone. Need to start it over from this year imo.
     
  16. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liam Callahan will look like a Hobbit compared to the redwood forest the Rapids acquired over the last few seasons.
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree. I think Smith has had a large effect on our draft strategy. This is his third draft and all 3 of them the general read is that we've stretched for our picks.
     
  18. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well we have the first pick of 3rd round that starts at noon today, no point in waiting around for our last pick which might not even be used.
     
  19. zapem_10

    zapem_10 Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope they take Nathan Regis. Goal scoring machine, two time D2 national player of the year. Why not take a flyer?
     
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  20. AvaiBunton

    AvaiBunton Member

    Oct 24, 2010
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Totally agree. Chip on his shoulder and something to prove!
     
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  21. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well.......we couldn't get our hands on a previous 4-time All-American, 2-time D-II POY that was a local guy and ended up in Dallas so my hopes aren't high. Sigh.................

    Regis might be worth taking the flyer on however he will require an international slot as he is from Trinidad & Tobago. I'm sure that has scared some teams off.
     
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  22. AvaiBunton

    AvaiBunton Member

    Oct 24, 2010
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree, I'm sure that scares off teams, if Rameriez is gone, no issues with Intl slot I think.
    Tesho, yes, that was a swing and miss by the RFO.
     
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  23. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hard to call it a swing in miss when a team with your former coach trades up to get him before you can pick.
     
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  24. AvaiBunton

    AvaiBunton Member

    Oct 24, 2010
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Homegrown is what I really meant...local for all intents and purposes, but maybe he didn't want to sign for the Rapids.
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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