2016-17 CCL Qualifiers [R]

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  1. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Is your dream still for Orlando City to win the SCCL?
     
  2. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They have to make it there first...baby steps. ;) However, if everything comes together, I'll be there in person for Orlando City's first home game in the CCL.
     
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  3. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Montreal and Vancouver tied the first leg of the Canadian Championship final 2-2. The away-goals rule is in effect, so Montreal will have to win or tie 2-2 or higher in Vancouver on the 26th to keep their Canadian three-peat hopes alive.

    Also, the US Open Cup Final is set: the Philadelphia Union will host Sporting Kansas City on September 30 for the first US berth.
     
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  4. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the longest-running jokes in CONCACAF must finally be put to rest: the Vancouver Whitecaps, formerly the eternal runner-up of Canada, overcame a 10-man Montreal Impact 2-0 (4-2 agg.) at BC Place to capture their first-ever Voyageurs' Cup in 14 tries and ensure a return to the continental stage next year.

    2016-17 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Vancouver Whitecaps [CAN]
     
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  5. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sporting Kansas City wins the Lamar Hunt U. S. Open Cup
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After eight rounds of PKs, Sporting KC finally overcame the hosts Philadelphia Union 7-6 following a 1-1 tie in the US Open Cup Final. Philly might be starting to developing an RSL vibe with cup finals at home... :cautious:

    I'll just put the new qualifiers up here without seeding (i.e. USA1 through USA4), as the pots are determined solely by country in the current format - I'll change it up once CONCACAF does. :D

    2016-17 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Vancouver Whitecaps [CAN]
    2. Sporting Kansas City [USA]
     
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  7. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #32 SJJ, Sep 30, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2015
    True, the current regulations don't specify that "USA1"-type thing anymore.

    When the PK's go to extra's, it usually happens that the team kicking first will make a kick, then the second team shanks it.
     
  8. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A quick update from the US: in the MLS Eastern Conference, the NY Red Bulls practically have the #1 spot wrapped up, holding a six-point lead over DC United with two games left in the season and an overwhelming GD advantage of +15 to -1 for their archrivals (Toronto FC are left out of the conversation as a Canadian club). We'll officially throw them on the list this Sunday unless DC win at home against Chicago AND NY lose at home to Philadelphia.

    As for the West...the first tiebreaker in the MLS regular season table is total wins, so FC Dallas could clinch #1 with a win at Real Salt Lake on Saturday, leaving them with a total 57 points and 17 wins on the season, a bar that neither LA or Sporting Kansas City can reach.
     
  9. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder. If the conference winner is Canadian, does the "conference champion" bid automatically go to the top American club in that conference, or does it go back into the "drop-down USA pool" for the top USA teams league-wide? Of course, it's nearly impossible for the second-place conference team to finish fifth overall (or sixth if Vancouver gets factored in) but the point of it being "official" as a second-place conference team getting the bid.
     
  10. fridge46

    fridge46 Member

    Oct 23, 2011
    Interesting timing. MLS released this today:

    "If any team occupies more than one slot, or any slot is occupied by a Canadian team (i.e. if Kansas City, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal or a regular-season conference champion goes on to win MLS Cup), then US teams who have not qualified otherwise are ranked according to regular-season record, with the unqualified team(s) with the next best record(s) receiving entry into the CCL."

    So "drop-down USA pool" it is!
     
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  11. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good points, and thanks for the correction. So if TFC overtake NY for #1 in the East, and two Western teams finish ahead of NY in the regular season table, the Red Bulls could yet enter the playoffs without a Champions League ticket in hand. Man, this was so much easier to explain back when Canadian teams made up the numbers... :D
     
  12. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dallas has clinched the MLS Western Conference. Only the L. A. Galaxy can tie them in the standings, but the first tie-break is most wins, and even if LA gets two wins, Dallas would still beat that.
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NY emphatically clinched #1 in the East with a 4-1 victory over the Philadelphia Union. In other years, the Red Bull's ongoing race with FC Dallas for the Supporters' Shield (NY have a slight advantage on GD) would have CCL implications; now, it will only determine where a potential NY Red Bulls-FC Dallas MLS Cup Final would take place. The final day of the MLS season will also determine which of DC, LA or Columbus will be in line to catch a hand-me-down spot should NY, Dallas or KC win the league championship.

    2016-17 CCL Qualifiers

    1. Vancouver Whitecaps [CAN]
    2. Sporting Kansas City [USA]
    3. FC Dallas [USA]
    4. New York Red Bulls [USA]
     
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  14. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Maybe they won't embarrass themselves this time. :)
     
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  15. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #40 SJJ, Oct 19, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2015
    Should that be "which of DC, LA, Columbus, or Portland will be in line to catch a hand-me-down spot should NY, Dallas, KC, or a Canadian team win the league championship" ?

    Note that either DC or C'bus will have at least 52 points, so only American teams with at 49 points are in the discussion.

    A tie between DC and LA at 52 or 54 points goes to DC, based on number of wins

    A tie at 53 points between Columbus and Portland goes to goal differential, currently C'bus at zero and Portland at minus-1; meaning, that Portland would know what they would have to do based on the earlier Eastern results. A tie in GD would then go to C'bus based on GF.

    (And an off-the-topic question: since New England and Orland are going for the last Eastern playoff spot, why is Fox Sports 1 not broadcasting the games involving them? The DC-C'bus game does play a role in this drop-down, many MLS fans wouldn't understand that.)
     
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  16. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    DC and Columbus are playing for a first-round bye, and New England is in barring an 8-goal swing. DC - Columbus is far more compelling.
     
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  17. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scenarios for the Eastern Conference 2 seed:

    D.C. will get the 2 seed with a win or with a draw and a draw or loss by Toronto
    Columbus will get the 2 seed with a win
    Toronto will get the 2 seed with a win and a D.C.-Columbus draw. Toronto would have the wins tiebreaker over D.C.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good edits...as you can tell, I clearly did not have Portland blowing out LA in LA on my radar. :eek:
     
  19. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course, this would be more appropriate for the 2017-18 qualifiers thread (assuming CONCACAF hasn't carried out the proposed schedule change by then), but: while the seeding among Canadian MLS teams for the next Voyageurs' Cup is up in the air, with the three teams separated by only two points ahead of Sunday, the Ottawa Fury hold a 21-point lead over FC Edmonton with two games to go in the NASL regular season, so for once they'll host the second leg of the play-in series.
     
  20. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They couldn't even make up 21 points under the olde thyme "six points for a win and three bonus points for three goals" method.
     
  21. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So it looks like Columbus (if what we were saying is correct) would get the USA-hand-down spot, if one of the already-qualified USA teams (or any Canadian team) wins MLS Cup.
     
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  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct.

    On another note: assuming no expansion, the 2016 Canadian Championship is set (first team listed hosts second leg).

    Play-in Round:

    Ottawa Fury vs. FC Edmonton

    Semifinals:

    Vancouver Whitecaps vs. Play-in winner
    Impact de Montréal vs. Toronto FC
     
  23. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    bad :(

    I would like a championship with matches each other in two legs, home-away !! 5 teams, 8 matches
     
  24. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand you wanting clubs to play 8 games but they wouldn't make clubs play that many games.
     
  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    How many cup tournaments require a round-robin? I know the Copa MX does, but I'm not personally aware of others. Makes sense for a league, less so for a knockout tournament.
     

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