2016/17 CCL: Group Stage [R]

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  1. TavoElTico

    TavoElTico Member

    Aug 27, 2010
    Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Country:
    Costa Rica
    Oh well, we are going through. We basically scored one and parked the bus. Don't like it, but it's valid.
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Also, Olimpia showed extraordinary heart to pull back from 4-2 down for a 4-4 draw. Not good enough for them...but they took points from Pachuca and guaranteed that Vancouver and Árabe Unido will be the #1 and #2 ranked teams for the knockout round (respectively).
     
  3. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    I don't know who Portland's starters are, but http://us.soccerway.com/teams/united-states/portland-timbers-mls/17501/squad/ has their statistics, so you can see for yourself.

    Assuming Pumas wins tonight (the Bet365 odds give them an 82.3 percent chance of beating W Connection), the seeds will be:

    1. Vancouver: 12 points, +8
    2. Arabe Unido: 12 points, +7
    3. Pachuca: 10 points
    4. and 5. Tigres and Pumas: 9 points each, which seed is which depends on how many goals Pumas wins by
    6. Saprissa: 8 points, +8
    7. New York Red Bulls: 8 points, +4
    8. FC Dallas or Suchitepequez: 6 points (if they draw) or 8 points (if there is a winner). They both have a +1, and if one of them wins by 3 or more goals, they would be the 7 seed and the Red Bulls would be the 8 seed, but I don't expect that to happen.

    If Suchitepequez wins, it will be the second time in three CCLs that only one out of four American clubs reached the Quarterfinals.
     
  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Country:
    Spain
    So, assuming Pumas win and Suchitepequez do not, that would mean 1 all-MLS QF (1v8) and one all-LMX quarterfinal (4v5), with the winners of those facing off in the SF. The other SF could be an MLS-LMX affair as well if Pachuca and the #7 seed win their respective QFs. Seems like a fairly good bracket to me.
     
  5. TavoElTico

    TavoElTico Member

    Aug 27, 2010
    Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Country:
    Costa Rica
    I'll be happy as long as we manage to avoid Tigres.
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    By my calculations, Saprissa's pretty much guaranteed a quarterfinal against Pachuca. Good luck - although I know el monstruo morado is up to the challenge. :cool:

    Btw, everyone: assuming Pumas UNAM win tonight, 3/4 of the bracket is set (first team hosts second leg).

    (1) Vancouver Whitecaps [CAN] vs. (8) New York Red Bulls [USA]
    (4/5) Pumas UNAM/Tigres UANL - If Pumas win by three, they host the 2nd leg; win by 1 or 2 - Tigres hosts 2nd leg

    ---

    (2) Árabe Unido [PAN] vs. (7) FC Dallas [USA]
    (3) CF Pachuca [MEX] vs. (6) Deportivo Saprissa [CRC]
     
  7. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    By scoring in the 87th and 90th minutes to win 5:2, FC Dallas got the 7 seed by having more goals scored than the Red Bulls.

    If Pumas wins, it will be the first time since the CCL changed to 8 groups of 3 that every group winner had at least 8 points.
     
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  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Pumas won 8:1. They had 18 shots on goal. I wonder what the CCL record for shots on goal is.
     
  9. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
    Club:
    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    look it up Evan :D
     
  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    I would be shocked if América didn't hold it for their game at Bayamón FC.
     
  11. LaMascara

    LaMascara Member+

    Apr 11, 2013
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    it sucks that teams like Olimpia have to exit this competition early due to the shiity format..
     
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  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Where? CCL statistics aren't as easy to find as for some other competitions. http://us.soccerway.com/matches/201...ue/bayamon-fc/club-de-futbol-america/1760607/ says Club America had more shots on target in the game Paul Calixte said, 5 to 1. Assuming that the shots on target excludes the goals, Club America had 10 + 5 = 15 shots, which is fewer than the 18 for Pumas.
     
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  13. TavoElTico

    TavoElTico Member

    Aug 27, 2010
    Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Country:
    Costa Rica
    #113 TavoElTico, Oct 21, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2016
    And you were right, of course. Pachuca is going to be tough. But if we manage to scrape through, we'd arguably be favorites to reach the final. I mean no disrespect towards FC Dallas and Árabe Unido, but we definitely have one of the best home advantages in the region. For whatever reason, Saprissa Stadium doesn't get to Mexicans as much, though.
     
  14. TavoElTico

    TavoElTico Member

    Aug 27, 2010
    Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Country:
    Costa Rica
    A few interesting facts:

    - Since the turn of the Millenium, Saprissa has faced Mexican opposition in the QFs 3 times. Lost to America on 14/15, defeated Atlante on 08/09 and brought down Pachuca on 04/05.

    - Pachucha has only faced Costa Rican opposition once in CONCACAF QFs, on the previously mentioned 04/05 match-up against Saprissa.

    - Last time Saprissa met Pachuca was in the 2008 Final. 1-1 draw at Saprissa Stadium and a 2-1 victory for Los Tuzos in Hidalgo, who lifted the trophy at home with that result.

    - Together, these teams amount to 7 CONCACAF Championships in 9 finals. Pachuca won the 2002, 2007, 2008 and 2010 editions, while Saprissa lifted the trophy in 1993, 1995 and 2005 (plus runner-up finishes for The S on 2004 and 2008).

    - Overall Head-to-Head record reads 2 wins for Pachuca, 1 win for Saprissa and 1 draw, with 5 goals scored by Los Tuzos and 4 by El Monstruo Morado.
     
  15. LaMascara

    LaMascara Member+

    Apr 11, 2013
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    it also depends on how the teams look next season,

    Pachuca may sell some important players and the same goes for Saprissa.
     

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