2016-17 Breakout Youngster

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  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Josh Sargent looks pretty good.
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  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Sargent playing so well right away "up an age group" was a big surprise for me.
    He's gonna have a lot of suitors when this U20 World Cup is over.

    For a long time Carleton was seen as the "star" of the current U17 Bradenton class.
    However, over the past half year or so there's been an increasing level of momentum building on social media about Sargent actually being a better prospect than Carleton. We've seen him go train with Schalke, and has been connected with other Bundesliga clubs recently. He doesn't have a Euro passport (as far as we know) so will have to wait about half a year before he can move to Europe.

    That's not a knock on Carleton at all. He's great. We want as many high-ceiling prospects as possible. But this Sargent kid has really been opening eyes the more people get to watch him.
     
  3. Giggsy1986

    Giggsy1986 Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I don't think Carlton has that much more of a ceiling than he is at right now.

    Technically Josh needs to improve but the boy can finish.
     
  4. Kombucha

    Kombucha Member+

    Jul 1, 2016
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    Really depends on his development physically.

    He will obviously get stronger with age and that will help, but if he get a little quicker, faster and taller and his ceiling is quite a bit higher. Turns 17 in exactly a month, so still time to mature from that standpoint, but also old enough that it might not happen. Just have to wait and see.

    Can continue to polish his game, but agree that his skills are already well developed, so I wouldn't expect big improvement there.
     
  5. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    The assist from Brooks Lennon was pinpoint-perfect.

    Klinsmann does not look like he'll be redeeming his father's name at the national level.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    When it comes to keepers.......................who knows?
    He only turned 20, so won't hit his prime for a keeper for another decade.
    Lots of development time coming, and his name will get him in the door in Europe.

    I'm actually unconvinced by the other keepers in this age group as well.
    There isn't a Steffen/Horvath keeper prospect in this particular pool.
     
  7. Giggsy1986

    Giggsy1986 Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Little klinsy will
    Be fine
     
  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    #758 ussoccer97531, May 22, 2017
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    I feel like many of the people who claim Sargent's better than Carleton have only started tuning in the last 6 months for a few youth international matches where Sargent has started to become the U-17's top goalscorer, and got an opportunity with the U-20's. Meanwhile, Carleton has had to wait patiently while he's been suppressed by Tata Martino for not being South American, even though we saw he was the best player on the whole team during preseason. Its no slight on Sargent, he just doesn't possess the raw talent, body of work or consistent performances that Carleton has had. Literally probably no one at Carleton's age (who is American) has. Carleton has been much better than all players in his age group all U-17 cycle, although Sargent has definitely made big improvements, and is #2 now. This comparison is brought up every time Sargent does well, and while he's very good, his case of being better than Carleton is negligible. I really think we should just appreciate they are both good players, and stop comparing them.

    Whether Klinsmann Jr. will be good in the future no one knows, right now he is awful. How anyone could be going to bat for this guy's performances, I don't know. There were some who did in the YNT forum. He's an average (at best) college soccer keeper. He's well out of his depth as the starting GK for the U-20's. All during qualifying, he was struggling as well, and it was going under the radar because he was barely facing any shots.
     
  9. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    1st bolded- again, not true. sargent has been seen as a better prospect, and has been the u17's best player in every recent tourney. just read parchman or sciaretta. carleton struggled in panama, recently.

    2nd bolded- uh what?? how is he being suppressed? he hasnt even been with ATL last month. And Asad, Villalba, almiron have all been really good.

    3rd- nope. pretty universal praise for sargent as the best prospect now. it's widely known that you get hyped up on certain individuals and ride that hype unequivocally.

    4th- YOU keep comparing them.

    maybe its just bc you post A LOT, and your takes are easily seen... but man, you have a lot of head-scratchers of posts.
     
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  10. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Carleton is not a better player than Almiron or Josef Martinez at this point.

    Tata suppressing him because he's not a South American is conspiracy theory material.
     
  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
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    Thats moving the goalposts. Those are only two attacking players (and one's currently injured). Asad, Gressel, Jones and Peterson all get playing time ahead of him, as well. And also, I said he was their best player in preseason. He won two MOTM awards (of four preseason games) in a twitter poll from the account of a prominent Atlanta United reporter.
     
  12. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Preseason doesn't matter at this point. Don't care much for twitter polls either.
     
  13. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    There are few more just in that post alone... they'd be easier to ignore if they weren't so often libelous.
     
  14. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    You are obviously entitled to your opinion. This Sargent/Carleton argument is so bipolar though. Sargent had his best tournament all cycle at the Nike Friendlies, people start comparing him to Carleton. Then Carleton dominates with and against MLS pros in preseason, people rubbish the earlier arguments. Then Sargent does incredibly well in the first few U-17 qualifying games, people entertain the argument again, then Carleton dominates the last two matches, people then laugh at it again. Now Sargent had a good match against Ecuador, people are now bringing it up again. People gotta make up their minds. There are a number of us who have maintained all along that Carleton is better despite thinking Sargent is pretty good. All you have to do is look to the fact that no one compares him to Sargent when he does something great, its the other way around. There are a number of people who swing back and forth on this depending on who has the good week. And I personally think these people undermine the argument put forth for Sargent in the process.
     
  15. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Has little Giggsy coached little Klinsy among other great ones?
     
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  16. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
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    Stoke City FC
    God I hope this turns into a Pulisic vs Akale argument.
     
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  17. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    I played keeper his technique is awful.
     
  18. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    The answer to this thread is Christian Pulisic. In 15/16 he was at the U17 WC, had a few appearances for Dortmund, and came off the bench for the USMNT a few times. In 16/17 he was the best player on the USMNT during WCQ and played in all but one of Dortmunds competitive matches. He scored in the Champions League and started at the Bernabeu.

    The only way to argue against him, is to say he doesn't count for some reason haha

    Time to close up shop here and start the 17/18 thread. Or as they will call it, the year of Hyndman (or maybe Acosta or McKennie or Perez or...)
     
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  19. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
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    Do the honors...

    Just remember Hyndman and Acosta are already capped.
     
  20. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
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    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be honest, I don't know who. There's definitely no Pulisic award.

    I'd say Kellyn Acosta is probably the one who sticks most out in my mind.

    McKinne, Sargent, Carleton, and Wright have an inside track for 2017/2018
     
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  21. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Report: Werder Bremen to sign U.S. youth international Josh Sargent

    http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/us...-bremen-josh-sargent-transfer-rumors-news-usa



    It was reported on beIN Sports’ The XTRA show that the German club will sign Sargent when he turns 18 in February.





    The reason he has to wait until he turns 18 is because FIFA rules prohibit minors from signing a transfer to a club outside of their country of birth. There are several exemption possibilities like if a youngster holds a European passport, but Sargent does not meet those qualifications.

    The future seems extremely bright for the young forward. He reportedly trained with Schalke earlier this year. Apparently Werder Bremen caught on to his talent and swooped in for his signature. Although not official, the report states that an announcement could come at any time
     
  22. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yup. He has to wait until next February to make any move to Europe.

    After the U20 World Cup he'll presumably train with the U17s & then play in the U17WC.
    [In the runup to the event we thought a player couldn't play in both events due to a FIFA rule, but apparently the USSF believe that rule doesn't exist anymore.]

    After the U17WC ends in October, he'll probably be able to make a couple of training trips to Europe...............and then start his move.

    There really won't be that much of a gap in terms of not training and playing. We've had a couple of cases of kids that had to wait a loooooooooooooong time. The best example is Junior Flores. His Bradenton class didn't qualify for the U17 World Cup. So for him it was more than half a year just waiting....................

    The original purpose of the thread was for teenage breakout like Pulisic. Acosta, Hyndman, Lynden Gooch, etc. were a little too old in terms of our original idea. They're all capped and are first team players in club football.

    There are kids eligible for the current U20 team that might break out soon. Carter-Vickers (who's been called up but not capped), Weston McKennie, Haji Wright, and kids of that ilk. Josh Perez at Fiorentina. Then there are the MLSers such as Andrew Carleton, etc.

    By the way, terrible news from the U20 World Cup.
    Gedion Zelalem with a bad injury at a terrible time. A good performance at the tournament might have cemented a good opportunity away from Arsenal. [Which gave less than 90 minutes to teenagers in the Premier League this year. Surprisingly.] I haven't seen official news on this from the USSF, but the twitterverse scuttlebutt is that he tore an ACL.
     
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  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    I am glad the rule doesn't exist anymore assuming that is the case.
    If you are one of the best options and meet age requirements you should be allowed to play within a competition. He is eligable for both the U-20 and U-17 so he should be able to play.
    It makes logical sense.
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    :D
     
  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We checked the rule books for the U17 tourney. The rule is in the 2015 version, but not in the 2017 version. And the paragraphs following were moved and renumbered. Doesn't look like an accidental oversight.
     

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